Xfce project and financial contributions
andre at andreldm.com
andre at andreldm.com
Wed Apr 21 00:03:25 CEST 2021
Hi,
I think that developing a solution to receive donations is out of question, we don't have the manpower/motivation for it. I'm also confident none of core contributors is comfortable holding funds in the name of the project, that's quite a responsiblity, not to mention paperwork obligations.
As for bountysource, until we have a proper substitute I would say to keep it open for donations.
Cheers,
Andre Miranda
Apr 20, 2021, 13:58 by bw509 at centurylink.net:
> Greetings to y'all!
>
> Fwiw: if your objective is to withdraw from bountysource (@ > https://www.bountysource.com/teams/xfce> ) then the link to that service should be removed from xfce's page ( @ > https://www.xfce.org/getinvolved> ) sooner than later. As you can see, donations are still flowing in, thus donors will have to be contacted to redirect their payment directives -- not an easy task, for sure...
>
> I have looked at kde.org, ubuntu-mate, mate-desktop, linux mint, opencollective, patreon, and other paywalls, and would humbly suggest to develop a PayPal-based solution. For the simple reason that it their API works well and can be used internationally. However, there's a rub: if the person/entity that manages (read: admin & bank accounts) the PayPal account is a US-"taxpayer" (has an SSN or applied for/uses an EIN), then the flow of donations becomes subject to US tax-laws per se, and possibly tax liabilities, and perhaps additional information-report filing requirements (ie f1099) on US recipients of donated funds.
>
> On the up-side, Incorporating a non-profit corp / trust /foundation here in one of the US states is relatively simple and cheap, but does require a "registered agent" (for legal process) in the state of incorporation, ie Nevada or Washington.
>
> Just some constructive thoughts. Cheers, BW
>
> ------------------
> >
> On 4/19/21 5:31 PM, > kevin.bowen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> That was definitely not the case. But thank you.
>>
>> On 4/18/21 6:23 PM, Yousuf Philips wrote:
>>
>>> After we got rejected, I had reached out to the person handling social media for Endeavor and he found it strange that Xfce would be rejected and said "If he [Kevin] wanted to join the team, then I understand the rejection. This is only reserved for the founders and our fiscal host. If he has an Open Collective account he should be joining it. By it, I mean the collective."
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Yousuf
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 7:15 AM Kevin Bowen <>>> kevin.bowen at gmail.com>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> It appears that Open Collective has admitted an error and reversed their
>>>> decision for not allowing Xfce to join one of their communities/fiscal
>>>> hosts. *shrug* I'll pick this up again next week.
>>>>
>>>> Kevin
>>>>
>>>> On 4/15/21 1:41 PM, Kevin Bowen wrote:
>>>> > Update:
>>>> >
>>>> > Open Collective is quickly being moved off of the table as a viable
>>>> > fiscal host for the Xfce project.
>>>> >
>>>> > I had applied to join one of there collective, and was rejected
>>>> > because Xfce did not meet their criteria.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>> https://www.oscollective.org/#criteria
>>>> >
>>>> > I can only guess that Xfce is not popular, or open source enough for
>>>> > them. Perhaps we don't have enough GitHub stars on our repositories.
>>>> > :-/ I don't really know as they have not responded to my specific
>>>> > questions.
>>>> >
>>>> > I am still sort of engaged with them; but, this reception may be a
>>>> > good indicator that we may not want to deal with them. We shall see.
>>>> >
>>>> > Kevin
>>>> >
>>>> > On 4/13/21 9:22 PM, Kevin Bowen wrote:
>>>> >> Hello all,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The Xfce project is currently in the process of looking to engage
>>>> >> with a new
>>>> >> organization to help us manage our collective funds as well as allow
>>>> >> us to
>>>> >> solicit donations and encourage fundraising efforts directed to end
>>>> >> users who
>>>> >> would like to support Xfce financially.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Back in June 2020, Simon had elaborated
>>>> >> [here](>>>> https://simon.shimmerproject.org/2020/06/18/why-bountysource-why/>>>> )
>>>> >> as well as
>>>> >> [here](>>>> https://simon.shimmerproject.org/2020/06/26/bountysource-update/>>>> )
>>>> >> on some of the issues encountered with Bountysource and that Xfce
>>>> >> has, subsequently,
>>>> >> disabled its bug bounties and is looking to separate from its
>>>> >> association with
>>>> >> Bountysource.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> As of this month, the Xfce team is considering signing up with
>>>> >> [opencollective](>>>> https://opencollective.com/>>>> ) to assist us in
>>>> >> managing donations and financial contributions.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> There are a few other options/orgs that are still being considered;
>>>> >> but, opencollective is looking like a contender for where we will be
>>>> >> moving towards to manage collecting funds.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hopefully, we can announce, in a few weeks, that we are open for
>>>> >> business; and,
>>>> >> a few new donation buttons can be put up on our pages. Perhaps we can
>>>> >> even do a PR push to do a fundraiser. I am open to suggestions on
>>>> >> how, exactly, to pursue this.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> That being said, I would like to open this up to the general dev
>>>> >> mailing list for discussion and feedback for at least two weeks
>>>> >> before we make a final decision. As of today, the decision to go with
>>>> >> opencollective is not yet final.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Any constructive feedback is welcome. Additionally, we are open to
>>>> >> considering other sites/orgs for handling our donations.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thank you,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> kevin
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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