Xfce4-dev Digest, Vol 200, Issue 12

Tue Aug 25 18:00:18 CEST 2020

Hi André --

Yes, a fluxbox session where xfce4-panel will also be present (in some
form). Thanks for your suggestion, I'll take a look at that.

We've been moving forward since I first wrote and now actually have a plan:

1. Proof of concept -- done
I posted a video (I'm not very good...) on my MX-Fluxbox YouTube channel
over the weekend called "Tips & Tricks #2," the second half of which
demonstrates a simple manual hack that allows the use of Xfce plugins
within Fluxbox:
a) add to startup: *xfce4-panel &*
b) right-click the panel to create a second panel
3) delete the first panel
4) add the weather (or clock, etc.) plugin to that tiny panel
That survives rebooting so can be put into operation and tested by users
immediately. Note that the Xfce4 panel is not being used as an actual
panel, but simply as a container for the plugin.

2. Adapt MX-Tweak to new treatment -- in progress
MX-Tweak currently backs up/restores the panel without user options. We
are recoding that (it's in Qt) to give the user the ability to save/restore
a panel by name. That will not only allow MX-Fluxbox users to preserve the
panel they want to use when in Xfce, but facilitates to our thinking some
interesting new uses such as caching task-specific panels.

3. Fork and repurpose xfce4-panel-profiles - in dream land
Its current form is essentially unusable for our purposes as far as we can
see, and is not particularly user-friendly (especially if not running a
'buntu distro). But if our basic concept works out, it might be worth our
looking at this possibility at some point in the future.

Thanks again.

Jerry

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> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 22:54:54 -0300
> From: André Miranda <andre42m at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: launch a specific panel
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> Hi Jerry,
> I'm still confused, by "fluxbox side" do you mean a fluxbox session where
> xfce4-panel will also be present?
> I didn't try, maybe creating a symlink from different folders (e.g.
> ~/.config/xfce4/panel-xfce and ~/.config/xfce4/panel-fluxbox) to
> ~/.config/xfce4/panel could accomplish what you need.
>
> Cheers,
> André Miranda
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 10:21 AM Jerry Bond <stormyjerry at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi André and Simon --
> >
> > Thanks for the responses, sorry that I was unclear. Bottom line:
> >
> > *I would like to able to use panel elements on the fluxbox side without
> > disturbing the Xfce side config. *
> >
> > The solution I was working on was to try to bypass the main panel-1 and
> > just launch panel-2 (weather or any other plugin)--that may not be
> optimal
> > I now see.
> >
> > @André: I am considering a panel just for weather, and I have set that up
> > successfully. But to get that it I needed to also have panel-1 and hide
> it.
> >
> > @Simon: I looked at xfce4-panel-profiles in the past, but it did not seem
> > to work across the two desktops and did not appear to back up our config.
> > I'm not sure what it is looking for, but our MX Tweak accomplishes such a
> > backup by exporting /.config/xfce4/panel  and ...xfconf.
> >
> > That profiles app is not in Debian, as you probably know, but we had
> > ported 1.0.9 to our repo; I have just asked our packagers to upgrade to
> the
> > new release so that I can look again this weekend.
> >
> > Thanks for getting back to me.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 18:36:13 -0300
> > From: André Miranda <andre42m at gmail.com> <andre42m at gmail.com>
> > To: Xfce development list <xfce4-dev at xfce.org> <xfce4-dev at xfce.org>
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> > Hi Jerry,
> > I don't understand what you want to accomplish. You said users could have
> > two different panels, one is xfce4-panel and the other is from fluxbox.
> You
> > also said that you want to use weather-plugin, presumably in xfce4-panel,
> > now I can't follow what's the problem here, do you what a panel just for
> > weather-plugin, or do you want it to be hidden and just show up when a
> > command is executed?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Andre Miranda
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 5:40 PM Jerry Bond <stormyjerry at gmail.com> <
> stormyjerry at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Devs --
> >
> > I am the Lead for MX Fluxbox, which ships now with MX Linux as a "fully
> > integrated overlay" that makes use of underlying Xfce for the desktop
> > environment. It would provide exciting possibilities for a user to be
> able
> > to set up two different panels, one for Xfce and the other for
> Fluxbox--or
> > for that matter, one for Business and the other for Personal use.
> >
> > The specific scenario that leads to this email: weather. Your brilliant
> > xfce4-weather-plugin is by far the easiest, fastest, most robust and most
> > versatile way to have access to weather conditions and forecast. I would
> > like to be able to use it, but at the moment all I can see is to create a
> > second panel and use it with the first one autohidden. Neither elegant
> nor
> > finally very practical. In my scenario would like to be able to launch
> the
> > weather panel, say:
> >
> > *xfce4-panel --panel-2*
> >
> > or if aliases were possible:
> >
> > *xfce4-panel --weather*
> >
> > So my question: is there an existing mechanism that I could make use of?
> >
> > Thanks for reading.
> >
> > Jerry Bond
> > MX Linux Project Manager
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 00:48:48 +0200
> > From: Simon Steinbeiss <simon at xfce.org> <simon at xfce.org>
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> > Hi Jerry,
> >
> > I'm in the same boat as André, but if you really want to look into
> > something like this then I guess using something like
> xfce4-panel-profiles
> > to re/store panel settings/profiles from the commandline (implies you
> have
> > to also restart the panel in such a script) would be one way to go...
> >
> > But yeah, what André said :)
> >
> > Cheers
> > Simon
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 11:36 PM André Miranda <andre42m at gmail.com> <
> andre42m at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Jerry,
> > I don't understand what you want to accomplish. You said users could have
> > two different panels, one is xfce4-panel and the other is from fluxbox.
> You
> > also said that you want to use weather-plugin, presumably in xfce4-panel,
> > now I can't follow what's the problem here, do you what a panel just for
> > weather-plugin, or do you want it to be hidden and just show up when a
> > command is executed?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Andre Miranda
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 5:40 PM Jerry Bond <stormyjerry at gmail.com> <
> stormyjerry at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Devs --
> >
> > I am the Lead for MX Fluxbox, which ships now with MX Linux as a "fully
> > integrated overlay" that makes use of underlying Xfce for the desktop
> > environment. It would provide exciting possibilities for a user to be
> able
> > to set up two different panels, one for Xfce and the other for
> Fluxbox--or
> > for that matter, one for Business and the other for Personal use.
> >
> > The specific scenario that leads to this email: weather. Your brilliant
> > xfce4-weather-plugin is by far the easiest, fastest, most robust and most
> > versatile way to have access to weather conditions and forecast. I would
> > like to be able to use it, but at the moment all I can see is to create a
> > second panel and use it with the first one autohidden. Neither elegant
> nor
> > finally very practical. In my scenario would like to be able to launch
> the
> > weather panel, say:
> >
> > *xfce4-panel --panel-2*
> >
> > or if aliases were possible:
> >
> > *xfce4-panel --weather*
> >
> > So my question: is there an existing mechanism that I could make use of?
> >
> > Thanks for reading.
> >
> > Jerry Bond
> > MX Linux Project Manager
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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