Infrastructure Upgrades/Changes: Git(ea)

Mon Oct 9 16:49:00 CEST 2017

Hi Matthew,

I specifically wrote in my first E-Mail:
…
"In order not to get stuck in endless discussions (which could be dragged
out by the fact that people have lives and can't always participate in the
discussions) I would like to propose that we try to move ahead with a
switch to Gitea."

I also mentioned self-hosting as a hard requirement, so Github simply is
not an option anymore (even if it was initially mentioned on the planning
page, which I linked for transparency-reasons).

Again - and without irony! - it's nice if you participate in the discussion
in a lively way, but please focus on the proposal at hand. If you want to
help us with the migration, with testing out Gitea or with finding missing
pieces e.g. here: https://wiki.xfce.org/infra/nextgen#proof_of_concept then
please let us know! Also if you have previous experiences with Gitea and
think it's good/bad/proven-in-use etc that would also be very well-received!
We're not 100% sold on Gitea, but the benefits are that we can quite
instantly start working with it.

Cheers
Simon

On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 1:53 PM Pasi Lallinaho <pasi at shimmerproject.org>
wrote:

> Just to clarify, this is what everybody could read on the first mail on
> this thread:
>
> On 08.10.2017 01:21, Simon Steinbeiss wrote:
> > The current proposal for phase 1 would be the following:
> > 1) Replace cgit/gitolite with Gitea (for browsing and administering
> > Git repos)
> > 2) Keep Bugzilla and Dokuwiki for their purposes (you can see the
> > integration in the instance Skunnyk set up)
>
> Cheers,
> Pasi
>
> On 09.10.2017 14:21, Matthew Brush wrote:
> > On 2017-10-09 03:30 AM, Simon Steinbeiss wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> while it's nice to see so many people contribute to this discussion
> >> let's
> >> stay on topic. For the time being we're discussing whether to set up
> >> Gitea,
> >> not Gitlab or to use Github.
> >>
> >
> > Well you did link to:
> >
> > https://wiki.xfce.org/infra/nextgen
> >
> > Which appears to show the options being considered. It seems/seemed
> > totally on-topic for people on the mailing list to participate in the
> > discussion, otherwise you could have just said:
> >
> > "We're considering switching to Gitea and nothing else, yeah or nay?"
> >
> > Anyway, sorry for responding to the people who replied to my message
> > and this :)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Matthew Brush
> >
> >> Gitlab has very different resource needs than Gitea so we'd have to find
> >> different hosting/sponsoring beforehands.
> >>
> >> What I proposed is a brief setup/migration phase to avoid endless
> >> discussions, but keep our eyes on the price (which is 4.14).
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >> Cheers
> >> Simon
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Am Mo., 9. Okt. 2017, 11:42 schrieb Matthew Brush
> >> <mbrush at codebrainz.ca>:
> >>
> >>> On 2017-10-09 02:01 AM, Isabell Liefer wrote:
> >>>> Hi! I would like to suggest to move to a selfhosted GitLab instance
> >>>> and
> >>> to also mirror the repo on GitHub for a wider audience. What that be
> >>> convenient for you both?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> There appears to already be a Github mirror, but it sort of misses the
> >>> mark if it's not used as the development platform.
> >>>
> >>> To restate it again, I'd be very happy with a new self-hosted
> >>> Gitlab/Gitea/whatever, I'm just playing devil's advocate because I
> >>> think
> >>> Github makes a lot of sense for a project like Xfce, except for ethical
> >>> (or whatever you call it) reasons. In terms of improving visibility,
> >>> ease of administration, and making it easier for (new) people to
> >>> contribute, Github (currently) wins hands-down, IMO.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Matthew Brush
> >>>
> >>>> Kind Regards
> >>>>
> >>>> Am 09.10.2017 um 04:17 schrieb Matthew Brush:
> >>>>> On 2017-10-08 06:51 PM, André Miranda wrote:
> >>>>>> GitHub is awesome, I really enjoy using it, but being proprietary
> >>>>>> is a
> >>>>>> no-go for a FLOSS project such as Xfce,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Github releases lots of their code as open source, but you can't
> >>>>> "install their whole business" locally, no.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Loads of FLOSS projects are completely fine, and rather thrive on
> >>>>> Github. Unlimited free hosting for open source projects with lots of
> >>>>> useful features, IMO, is rather nice.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To be clear, I'm not advocating for Xfce switching to Github, I'm
> >>>>> just
> >>>>> pointing out that it's purely a political/ethical/emotional decision
> >>>>> rather than a technical/user-centric one. Personally I lean towards
> >>>>> pragmatism rather than having a strong political stance, but I can
> >>>>> appreciate that some people are more passionate about this than I am.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Matthew Brush
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