<div dir="ltr"><div class="inbox-inbox-uyb8Gf" style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:13px"><div><div class="inbox-inbox-F3hlO"><div dir="ltr">Hi Matthew,<div><br></div><div>I specifically wrote in my first E-Mail:</div></div></div></div></div><div class="inbox-inbox-uyb8Gf" style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:13px"><div><div title="Hide quoted text" tabindex="0" class="inbox-inbox-mg" style="border-radius:2px;color:rgb(117,117,117);display:inline-block;padding:0px 2px">…</div><div class="inbox-inbox-vI" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(224,224,224);color:rgb(117,117,117);padding:10px"><div dir="ltr"><div>"<span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">In order not to get stuck in endless discussions (which could be dragged out by the fact that people have lives and can't always participate in the discussions) I would like to propose that we try to move ahead with a switch to Gitea."</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><br></span></div></div></div></div></div><div class="inbox-inbox-uyb8Gf" style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:13px"><div><div class="inbox-inbox-F3hlO"><div dir="ltr"><div>I also mentioned self-hosting as a hard requirement, so Github simply is not an option anymore (even if it was initially mentioned on the planning page, which I linked for transparency-reasons).</div><div><br></div><div>Again - and without irony! - it's nice if you participate in the discussion in a lively way, but please focus on the proposal at hand. If you want to help us with the migration, with testing out Gitea or with finding missing pieces e.g. here: <font color="#212121"><a href="https://wiki.xfce.org/infra/nextgen#proof_of_concept" target="_blank">https://wiki.xfce.org/infra/nextgen#proof_of_concept</a> then please let us know! Also if you have previous experiences with Gitea and think it's good/bad/proven-in-use etc that would also be very well-received!</font></div><div><font color="#212121">We're not 100% sold on Gitea, but the benefits are that we can quite instantly start working with it.</font></div><div><font color="#212121"><br></font></div><div><font color="#212121">Cheers</font></div><div><font color="#212121">Simon</font></div><div><font color="#212121"><br></font></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 1:53 PM Pasi Lallinaho <<a href="mailto:pasi@shimmerproject.org">pasi@shimmerproject.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Just to clarify, this is what everybody could read on the first mail on<br>
this thread:<br>
<br>
On 08.10.2017 01:21, Simon Steinbeiss wrote:<br>
> The current proposal for phase 1 would be the following:<br>
> 1) Replace cgit/gitolite with Gitea (for browsing and administering<br>
> Git repos)<br>
> 2) Keep Bugzilla and Dokuwiki for their purposes (you can see the<br>
> integration in the instance Skunnyk set up)<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Pasi<br>
<br>
On 09.10.2017 14:21, Matthew Brush wrote:<br>
> On 2017-10-09 03:30 AM, Simon Steinbeiss wrote:<br>
>> Hi,<br>
>><br>
>> while it's nice to see so many people contribute to this discussion<br>
>> let's<br>
>> stay on topic. For the time being we're discussing whether to set up<br>
>> Gitea,<br>
>> not Gitlab or to use Github.<br>
>><br>
><br>
> Well you did link to:<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://wiki.xfce.org/infra/nextgen" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.xfce.org/infra/nextgen</a><br>
><br>
> Which appears to show the options being considered. It seems/seemed<br>
> totally on-topic for people on the mailing list to participate in the<br>
> discussion, otherwise you could have just said:<br>
><br>
> "We're considering switching to Gitea and nothing else, yeah or nay?"<br>
><br>
> Anyway, sorry for responding to the people who replied to my message<br>
> and this :)<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
> Matthew Brush<br>
><br>
>> Gitlab has very different resource needs than Gitea so we'd have to find<br>
>> different hosting/sponsoring beforehands.<br>
>><br>
>> What I proposed is a brief setup/migration phase to avoid endless<br>
>> discussions, but keep our eyes on the price (which is 4.14).<br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>> Cheers<br>
>> Simon<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Am Mo., 9. Okt. 2017, 11:42 schrieb Matthew Brush<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:mbrush@codebrainz.ca" target="_blank">mbrush@codebrainz.ca</a>>:<br>
>><br>
>>> On 2017-10-09 02:01 AM, Isabell Liefer wrote:<br>
>>>> Hi! I would like to suggest to move to a selfhosted GitLab instance<br>
>>>> and<br>
>>> to also mirror the repo on GitHub for a wider audience. What that be<br>
>>> convenient for you both?<br>
>>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> There appears to already be a Github mirror, but it sort of misses the<br>
>>> mark if it's not used as the development platform.<br>
>>><br>
>>> To restate it again, I'd be very happy with a new self-hosted<br>
>>> Gitlab/Gitea/whatever, I'm just playing devil's advocate because I<br>
>>> think<br>
>>> Github makes a lot of sense for a project like Xfce, except for ethical<br>
>>> (or whatever you call it) reasons. In terms of improving visibility,<br>
>>> ease of administration, and making it easier for (new) people to<br>
>>> contribute, Github (currently) wins hands-down, IMO.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Regards,<br>
>>> Matthew Brush<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Kind Regards<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Am 09.10.2017 um 04:17 schrieb Matthew Brush:<br>
>>>>> On 2017-10-08 06:51 PM, André Miranda wrote:<br>
>>>>>> GitHub is awesome, I really enjoy using it, but being proprietary<br>
>>>>>> is a<br>
>>>>>> no-go for a FLOSS project such as Xfce,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Github releases lots of their code as open source, but you can't<br>
>>>>> "install their whole business" locally, no.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Loads of FLOSS projects are completely fine, and rather thrive on<br>
>>>>> Github. Unlimited free hosting for open source projects with lots of<br>
>>>>> useful features, IMO, is rather nice.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> To be clear, I'm not advocating for Xfce switching to Github, I'm<br>
>>>>> just<br>
>>>>> pointing out that it's purely a political/ethical/emotional decision<br>
>>>>> rather than a technical/user-centric one. Personally I lean towards<br>
>>>>> pragmatism rather than having a strong political stance, but I can<br>
>>>>> appreciate that some people are more passionate about this than I am.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Regards,<br>
>>>>> Matthew Brush<br>
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