Why design matters

Martin Hammerchmidt martin.hammerchmidt at gmail.com
Sun Jul 26 00:24:18 CEST 2015

Hi everyone.

I did'nt read all your answers but I want to give you my opinion as a
regular xubuntu user.

I find Xubuntu beautiful and it do not hurt my eyes. But xfce, unlike other
popular desktop environment is not really beautiful out of the box. This
demonstrate the power of xfce : it is customizable ! But if the new user
don't know how to get a fancy desktop environment, he go away. That mean
that the user need to be helped.

Look at unity (just as example), out of the box it work well with
everything as expected by the user. Modern, Fancy, Flat. So I really think
that the design (the visual design, the use design) is truly important,
especially the base (out of the box) design.

Hope that help,


On 16:19, Sat, Jul 25, 2015 Simon Steinbeiß <simon at xfce.org> wrote:

> Hi Patrik,
> On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 16:09:42 +0200
> Patrik Bubák <bubapa at privacyrequired.com> wrote:
> > Simon,
> >
> > below I'm illustrating very quickly examples of what I meant (I hope
> > it'll be clear from the screenshots, very quick drafts to support my
> > arguments):
> >
> >
> >
> > I know you already provided a response to this, it's just I wanted for
> > everyone to clearly understand what I meant.
> >
> > Next:
> >
> >
> >
> > The Telegram label above the panel illustrates the position it should
> > keep. Instead, when you insert buttons from the left side for example,
> > the label is pushed to the right and does no longer maintain its
> > position.
> Right, that was pretty much what I thought you'd mean. So you're talking
> about the xfwm4 titlebar and the xfce4-panel, specifically items in the
> systray and items with spacers that should be centered in terms of
> panel-width.
> I know that currently neither of that is possible. I already tried to
> explain the problem with the systray. Maybe with some hacking this could be
> improved. The other two could also simply go into bugreports that
> illustrate the desired behavior. FWIW, I don't really have that problem
> (and I'm not as obsessive anymore about having my window-titles absolutely
> centered as I was a few years ago ;)) http://i.imgur.com/eSJwaGV.png
> So head over to https://bugzilla.xfce.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Xfwm4 and
> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Xfce4-panel and file your
> feature requests.
> If you can't provide patches for these issues yourself, devs will take a
> look – when/if time and motivation permits (that's the same with all FOSS
> projects I've worked with).
> Cheers
> Simon
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