A big thanks and three requests for Xfce 4.12

[PK]

Please ignore my previous mail.... Sent to the wrong mailing list. :P


2014/1/8 PK <pliniusminor at gmail.com>

> As upstream (Xfce) has recently fixed these two bugs: can we make sure
> that these two important settings changes will land in Xubuntu 14.04, even
> when the fixed upstream packages won't be used in 14.04 yet?
>
> Regards, Pjotr.
>
>
> 2013/12/28 P.K. <pliniusminor at gmail.com>
>
> Nick has fixed both bugs! Yay!
>>
>> Thank you, Nick!
>>
>>
>> 2013/12/22 P.K. <pliniusminor at gmail.com>
>>
>> Liviu Andronic: good tip, thanks! I've submitted two bug reports:
>>>
>>> Double-click interval:
>>> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10562
>>>
>>> mousewheel-rollup:
>>> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10563
>>>
>>> Hopefully the devs will act upon them....
>>>
>>> Regards, Pjotr.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/12/22 Liviu Andronic <landronimirc at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> Dear Pjotr,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:48 AM, P.K. <pliniusminor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > 1. The default double-click time (the maximum interval between two
>>>> > mouseclicks for them to be recognized as a double-click) is (imho) too
>>>> > short: 250 ms. Increasing the default to 350 ms would prevent a lot of
>>>> > frustration, for elderly people in particular, and for beginners who
>>>> don't
>>>> > know how to change the setting. 350 ms seems a more reasonable
>>>> default to
>>>> > me.
>>>> >
>>>> > 2. xfwm4 has a mousewheel-rollup feature, which is enabled by
>>>> default. In my
>>>> > opinion it would be better if this feature would be *disabled* by
>>>> default.
>>>> >
>>>> > The mousewheel-rollup feature causes many complaints from people who
>>>> > inadvertently perform a rollup of the active window, and then think
>>>> that
>>>> > their application window has suddenly closed. Or they see the
>>>> rolled-up
>>>> > window bar, but don't know how to restore it...
>>>> >
>>>> > I've never met anyone who actually uses the mousewheel-rollup on
>>>> purpose,
>>>> > but I've heard many complaints from people about involuntary
>>>> > mousewheel-rollups. So changing the default to "disabled" seems an
>>>> > improvement to me.
>>>> >
>>>> I agree with both suggestions. Regarding (1) I always noticed an issue
>>>> with the default double-click in Xfce, and even though I'm not exactly
>>>> an inexperienced Linux user, I never understood how to properly solve
>>>> the issue. Until your suggestion, I never knew whether I should
>>>> increase or decrease the delay. A better default is necessary.
>>>>
>>>> As for (2), I regularly use the mousewheel-rollup feature. However for
>>>> a majority of users this feature would feel like a bug (I noticed it
>>>> first-hand with other users). It can be frustrating if you roll-up
>>>> your 1h long e-mail, don't know how to recover the window and restart
>>>> the browser because you think that the app crashed. So indeed it seems
>>>> better to disable this by default and put an option in WM Tweaks;
>>>> advanced users will easily find and enable this.
>>>>
>>>> If you don't want  either of your suggestions to get lost on the
>>>> mailing list, I would suggest that you open separate enhancement
>>>> requests on bugzilla.
>>>>
>>>> As for (3), Xfce devels are traditionally very conservative on what
>>>> gets accepted into core; that's why have the goodies. In this sense
>>>> mainstream distros have a free hand to include this "fancy" menu by
>>>> default. (For the record, I like it and configured all my machines to
>>>> use it.)
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Liviu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > 3. The Whisker menu (xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin) from Graeme Gott has
>>>> become
>>>> > rather popular: not only it has become the default menu in the Xfce
>>>> edition
>>>> > of Linux Mint, but it's being considered by the Xubuntu devs as well.
>>>> > Homepage: http://gottcode.org/xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin/
>>>> >
>>>> > I quite like it myself, I must say: the Whisker menu is fast,
>>>> intuitive and
>>>> > modern. User-friendly, no explanation needed. Feels more refined,
>>>> practical
>>>> > and beautiful than the current default Xfce menu, which is a bit
>>>> outdated,
>>>> > in my opinion.
>>>> >
>>>> > Maybe it's a good idea to include the Whisker menu in Xfce 4.12, or
>>>> even
>>>> > make it the default for 4.12?
>>>> >
>>>> > What do you think?
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards, Pjotr.
>>>> >
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