A big thanks and three requests for Xfce 4.12

[PK]

As upstream (Xfce) has recently fixed these two bugs: can we make sure that
these two important settings changes will land in Xubuntu 14.04, even when
the fixed upstream packages won't be used in 14.04 yet?

Regards, Pjotr.


2013/12/28 P.K. <pliniusminor at gmail.com>

> Nick has fixed both bugs! Yay!
>
> Thank you, Nick!
>
>
> 2013/12/22 P.K. <pliniusminor at gmail.com>
>
> Liviu Andronic: good tip, thanks! I've submitted two bug reports:
>>
>> Double-click interval:
>> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10562
>>
>> mousewheel-rollup:
>> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10563
>>
>> Hopefully the devs will act upon them....
>>
>> Regards, Pjotr.
>>
>>
>> 2013/12/22 Liviu Andronic <landronimirc at gmail.com>
>>
>>> Dear Pjotr,
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:48 AM, P.K. <pliniusminor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > 1. The default double-click time (the maximum interval between two
>>> > mouseclicks for them to be recognized as a double-click) is (imho) too
>>> > short: 250 ms. Increasing the default to 350 ms would prevent a lot of
>>> > frustration, for elderly people in particular, and for beginners who
>>> don't
>>> > know how to change the setting. 350 ms seems a more reasonable default
>>> to
>>> > me.
>>> >
>>> > 2. xfwm4 has a mousewheel-rollup feature, which is enabled by default.
>>> In my
>>> > opinion it would be better if this feature would be *disabled* by
>>> default.
>>> >
>>> > The mousewheel-rollup feature causes many complaints from people who
>>> > inadvertently perform a rollup of the active window, and then think
>>> that
>>> > their application window has suddenly closed. Or they see the rolled-up
>>> > window bar, but don't know how to restore it...
>>> >
>>> > I've never met anyone who actually uses the mousewheel-rollup on
>>> purpose,
>>> > but I've heard many complaints from people about involuntary
>>> > mousewheel-rollups. So changing the default to "disabled" seems an
>>> > improvement to me.
>>> >
>>> I agree with both suggestions. Regarding (1) I always noticed an issue
>>> with the default double-click in Xfce, and even though I'm not exactly
>>> an inexperienced Linux user, I never understood how to properly solve
>>> the issue. Until your suggestion, I never knew whether I should
>>> increase or decrease the delay. A better default is necessary.
>>>
>>> As for (2), I regularly use the mousewheel-rollup feature. However for
>>> a majority of users this feature would feel like a bug (I noticed it
>>> first-hand with other users). It can be frustrating if you roll-up
>>> your 1h long e-mail, don't know how to recover the window and restart
>>> the browser because you think that the app crashed. So indeed it seems
>>> better to disable this by default and put an option in WM Tweaks;
>>> advanced users will easily find and enable this.
>>>
>>> If you don't want  either of your suggestions to get lost on the
>>> mailing list, I would suggest that you open separate enhancement
>>> requests on bugzilla.
>>>
>>> As for (3), Xfce devels are traditionally very conservative on what
>>> gets accepted into core; that's why have the goodies. In this sense
>>> mainstream distros have a free hand to include this "fancy" menu by
>>> default. (For the record, I like it and configured all my machines to
>>> use it.)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Liviu
>>>
>>>
>>> > 3. The Whisker menu (xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin) from Graeme Gott has
>>> become
>>> > rather popular: not only it has become the default menu in the Xfce
>>> edition
>>> > of Linux Mint, but it's being considered by the Xubuntu devs as well.
>>> > Homepage: http://gottcode.org/xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin/
>>> >
>>> > I quite like it myself, I must say: the Whisker menu is fast,
>>> intuitive and
>>> > modern. User-friendly, no explanation needed. Feels more refined,
>>> practical
>>> > and beautiful than the current default Xfce menu, which is a bit
>>> outdated,
>>> > in my opinion.
>>> >
>>> > Maybe it's a good idea to include the Whisker menu in Xfce 4.12, or
>>> even
>>> > make it the default for 4.12?
>>> >
>>> > What do you think?
>>> >
>>> > Regards, Pjotr.
>>> >
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