A big thanks and three requests for Xfce 4.12

[P.K.]

Liviu Andronic: good tip, thanks! I've submitted two bug reports:

Double-click interval:
https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10562

mousewheel-rollup:
https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10563

Hopefully the devs will act upon them....

Regards, Pjotr.


2013/12/22 Liviu Andronic <landronimirc at gmail.com>

> Dear Pjotr,
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:48 AM, P.K. <pliniusminor at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 1. The default double-click time (the maximum interval between two
> > mouseclicks for them to be recognized as a double-click) is (imho) too
> > short: 250 ms. Increasing the default to 350 ms would prevent a lot of
> > frustration, for elderly people in particular, and for beginners who
> don't
> > know how to change the setting. 350 ms seems a more reasonable default to
> > me.
> >
> > 2. xfwm4 has a mousewheel-rollup feature, which is enabled by default.
> In my
> > opinion it would be better if this feature would be *disabled* by
> default.
> >
> > The mousewheel-rollup feature causes many complaints from people who
> > inadvertently perform a rollup of the active window, and then think that
> > their application window has suddenly closed. Or they see the rolled-up
> > window bar, but don't know how to restore it...
> >
> > I've never met anyone who actually uses the mousewheel-rollup on purpose,
> > but I've heard many complaints from people about involuntary
> > mousewheel-rollups. So changing the default to "disabled" seems an
> > improvement to me.
> >
> I agree with both suggestions. Regarding (1) I always noticed an issue
> with the default double-click in Xfce, and even though I'm not exactly
> an inexperienced Linux user, I never understood how to properly solve
> the issue. Until your suggestion, I never knew whether I should
> increase or decrease the delay. A better default is necessary.
>
> As for (2), I regularly use the mousewheel-rollup feature. However for
> a majority of users this feature would feel like a bug (I noticed it
> first-hand with other users). It can be frustrating if you roll-up
> your 1h long e-mail, don't know how to recover the window and restart
> the browser because you think that the app crashed. So indeed it seems
> better to disable this by default and put an option in WM Tweaks;
> advanced users will easily find and enable this.
>
> If you don't want  either of your suggestions to get lost on the
> mailing list, I would suggest that you open separate enhancement
> requests on bugzilla.
>
> As for (3), Xfce devels are traditionally very conservative on what
> gets accepted into core; that's why have the goodies. In this sense
> mainstream distros have a free hand to include this "fancy" menu by
> default. (For the record, I like it and configured all my machines to
> use it.)
>
> Regards,
> Liviu
>
>
> > 3. The Whisker menu (xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin) from Graeme Gott has
> become
> > rather popular: not only it has become the default menu in the Xfce
> edition
> > of Linux Mint, but it's being considered by the Xubuntu devs as well.
> > Homepage: http://gottcode.org/xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin/
> >
> > I quite like it myself, I must say: the Whisker menu is fast, intuitive
> and
> > modern. User-friendly, no explanation needed. Feels more refined,
> practical
> > and beautiful than the current default Xfce menu, which is a bit
> outdated,
> > in my opinion.
> >
> > Maybe it's a good idea to include the Whisker menu in Xfce 4.12, or even
> > make it the default for 4.12?
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Regards, Pjotr.
> >
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