A big thanks and three requests for Xfce 4.12

[P.K.]

Nick has fixed both bugs! Yay!

Thank you, Nick!


2013/12/22 P.K. <pliniusminor at gmail.com>

> Liviu Andronic: good tip, thanks! I've submitted two bug reports:
>
> Double-click interval:
> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10562
>
> mousewheel-rollup:
> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10563
>
> Hopefully the devs will act upon them....
>
> Regards, Pjotr.
>
>
> 2013/12/22 Liviu Andronic <landronimirc at gmail.com>
>
>> Dear Pjotr,
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:48 AM, P.K. <pliniusminor at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > 1. The default double-click time (the maximum interval between two
>> > mouseclicks for them to be recognized as a double-click) is (imho) too
>> > short: 250 ms. Increasing the default to 350 ms would prevent a lot of
>> > frustration, for elderly people in particular, and for beginners who
>> don't
>> > know how to change the setting. 350 ms seems a more reasonable default
>> to
>> > me.
>> >
>> > 2. xfwm4 has a mousewheel-rollup feature, which is enabled by default.
>> In my
>> > opinion it would be better if this feature would be *disabled* by
>> default.
>> >
>> > The mousewheel-rollup feature causes many complaints from people who
>> > inadvertently perform a rollup of the active window, and then think that
>> > their application window has suddenly closed. Or they see the rolled-up
>> > window bar, but don't know how to restore it...
>> >
>> > I've never met anyone who actually uses the mousewheel-rollup on
>> purpose,
>> > but I've heard many complaints from people about involuntary
>> > mousewheel-rollups. So changing the default to "disabled" seems an
>> > improvement to me.
>> >
>> I agree with both suggestions. Regarding (1) I always noticed an issue
>> with the default double-click in Xfce, and even though I'm not exactly
>> an inexperienced Linux user, I never understood how to properly solve
>> the issue. Until your suggestion, I never knew whether I should
>> increase or decrease the delay. A better default is necessary.
>>
>> As for (2), I regularly use the mousewheel-rollup feature. However for
>> a majority of users this feature would feel like a bug (I noticed it
>> first-hand with other users). It can be frustrating if you roll-up
>> your 1h long e-mail, don't know how to recover the window and restart
>> the browser because you think that the app crashed. So indeed it seems
>> better to disable this by default and put an option in WM Tweaks;
>> advanced users will easily find and enable this.
>>
>> If you don't want  either of your suggestions to get lost on the
>> mailing list, I would suggest that you open separate enhancement
>> requests on bugzilla.
>>
>> As for (3), Xfce devels are traditionally very conservative on what
>> gets accepted into core; that's why have the goodies. In this sense
>> mainstream distros have a free hand to include this "fancy" menu by
>> default. (For the record, I like it and configured all my machines to
>> use it.)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Liviu
>>
>>
>> > 3. The Whisker menu (xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin) from Graeme Gott has
>> become
>> > rather popular: not only it has become the default menu in the Xfce
>> edition
>> > of Linux Mint, but it's being considered by the Xubuntu devs as well.
>> > Homepage: http://gottcode.org/xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin/
>> >
>> > I quite like it myself, I must say: the Whisker menu is fast, intuitive
>> and
>> > modern. User-friendly, no explanation needed. Feels more refined,
>> practical
>> > and beautiful than the current default Xfce menu, which is a bit
>> outdated,
>> > in my opinion.
>> >
>> > Maybe it's a good idea to include the Whisker menu in Xfce 4.12, or even
>> > make it the default for 4.12?
>> >
>> > What do you think?
>> >
>> > Regards, Pjotr.
>> >
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