What are the objectives for Xfce 4.4?

[Benedikt Meurer]

Benedikt Meurer wrote:
> Auke Kok wrote:
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>> Biju Chacko wrote:
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>>> Brian J. Tarricone wrote:
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>>>> Biju Chacko wrote:
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>>>>> * We need to get rid of the concept that one module == one package. 
>>>>> The current plethora of packages is a pain and detracts from our 
>>>>> image of being lightweight. Ideally, we ought to have just 
>>>>> xfce-core, xfce-applications and xfce-devel. If we do this 
>>>>> correctly, it should still be possible for people who only want a 
>>>>> single module (most probably xfwm4) to get only it.
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>>>> I'm not seeing how this would work.  The first part seems to me to 
>>>> be directly contradictory with the second.  If we have an xfce-core 
>>>> package, how do you just install xfwm4 out of it?  Think of the 
>>>> children!  Er... packagers.  I don't want to say "everyone else does 
>>>> it the single package way, so we should too", but... well, yeah.  
>>>> It's done this way for a reason, and unless it's demonstrably better 
>>>> to do it another way (I'm not convinced it is), then it should stay 
>>>> the same.
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>>> I was thinking that it should still be possible to checkout 
>>> xfce4/xfwm4 and get a buildable module, nothing more than that.
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>>> [..]
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>>>>> * Move xfcalendar, xfterminal, xfmedia, mousepad into a separate 
>>>>> project called 'xfce applications'. Add all new utilities to this 
>>>>> project. Core probably already has all the modules that need to be 
>>>>> there.
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>>>> Nuh-uh.  I like maintaining Xfmedia on my own website, and that's 
>>>> where it's gonna stay.
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>>> Thats fine. The point is that there should be a clear focus on what 
>>> the xfce project does, ie the desktop and only the desktop. 
>>> Applications should be elsewhere, either in personal cvses like 
>>> xfmedia or in a common repository for stuff that may be worked on by 
>>> multiple people.
>>>
>>> -- b
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>> might I suggest something like 'directory.xfce.org' that shows a 
>> rather static list of Xfce applications and components? Should not be 
>> that hard to maintain, and can even be wiki based if setup separately 
>> of the main site. Other alternatives are also possible, and the 
>> residence on the main site would make it impartial towards 
>> xfce-goodies/berlioz... we just want to show (as xfce devs) that there 
>> are many xfce applications out there!
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> Such a page is already available at
> 
>  http://www.xfce.org/~benny/apps.html
> 
> which lists the available 3rd party apps. I started this page because 
> there was a demand for such a list. If anybody wants to maintain this 
> list instead (probably using directory.xfce.org), that would be very nice.

BTW: How about apps.xfce.org, with some small CMS? And people that keep 
the info up-to-date (screenshots, versions, etc.). Any volunteers? ;-)

Benedikt