Xfce-funklor ->xfwm crash

Ric fhj52ads at yahoo.com
Mon Jul 21 08:34:07 CEST 2003 

--- Olivier Fourdan <fourdan at xfce.org> wrote:
> Ric,
> 
> The new xfce engine (2.1.3) that ships with rc2 accepts both "TRUE" and
> "true", so it's backward compatible with older xfce themes.

Thanks. Was afraid to suggest that as it might have been to hard due to time
constraint with XFce release.  Your a gem....

Would you be up for answering some questions about the gtk-xfce-engine which,
if you want, I will reformat into a 'HOW2.htm'/ 'README' file that you can
distribute with gtk-xfce-engine? 
 -or has that already been done?(I could not find it... README is 0 bytes)

Of course, it will have to be included after 4.0 is out (if it is suitable) so
no rush.


> 
> Cheers,
> Olivier.
> 
> On Sat, 2003-07-19 at 11:52, Ric wrote:
> > --- Olivier Fourdan <fourdan at xfce.org> wrote:
> > > Ric,
> > > 
> > > Frankly, I see your proposal as a horrible hack :)
> > >
> > > Really, I won't maintain a black list of GTK themes hardcoded in the
> > > setting manager...
> > 
> > huh? who said/asked that? I certainly did not.  That would be D! near
> > impossible to create or maintain -there must be a thousand GTK+ themes by
> now.
> >  All I suggested was that you use a list that you know works:  The default
> > themes installed + whatever else you think is appropriate... but not use
> the
> > entire gtk+ gallery and whatever the user has in $HOME/.themes/  too ...
> > 
> > whatever...
> > 
> > The problem apparently is that funklor uses " TRUE" instead of " true " in
> the
> > gtk2 gtkrc file.  I made changes to funklor's gtkrc by reducing the
> spacing
> > and changing it to read
> > 
> >   engine "xfce" 
> >   {
> >       smooth_edge = true
> >   }
> > }
> > 
> > It was ... " = TRUE " before.  That seems to have fixed the crash problem.
>  I
> > have not been able to get it to do it anymore.
> > While testing that change I clicked on Redmondxp and ir did not work
> properly
> > but since it did not CRASH the system, found an error in the
> .xsession-errors 
> > file indicating that it had the same problem(TRUE). 
> > 
> > GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: file gobject.c: line 1337 (g_object_unref):
> > assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
> > /usr/share/themes/Xfce-Redmondxp/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:43: error: unexpected
> > identifier `TRUE', expected keyword
> > 
> > As soon as I made the same changes to it, changed TRUE to true(in two
> places),
> > the error went away.  
> > I also noticed that xfce-funklor and xfce-Redmondxp are almost the same
> theme;
> > it's prbly a copy error. BTW, " TRUE " is used a lot in gtk gtkrc files
> but I
> > could not find any gtk2 gtkrc files with it.  All of them are lower case.
> > 
> > Of course I have no way of knowing if that is _the_ fix or just a hack
> that
> > makes it appear to be okay.  It looks like Glib really cares if one uses
> > capitals but idunno if it should or not.  Personally, I would hope not.
> > 
> > System/X/WM crashes are not a good thing. ...  If there is some way to
> prevent
> > that from happening, well, IMHO, it should be done.
> > 
> > There is not a lot that we can do about gtk-engines2  but since 
> > " Xfce-Redmondxp " came from the old gtk-xfce-engine it can be replaced 
> > with the newer " xfce-redmondxp " files.  The two are different, but not 
> > that much.   And the easy way to fix xfce-funklor is to include it in a
> new 
> > gtk-xfce-engine-2 release with the appropriate changes and also replace 
> > the old files.   Or whatever way you think is best. ...
> > 
> > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > Olivier.
> > > 
> > > On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 22:58, Ric wrote:
> > > > --- Olivier Fourdan <fourdan at xfce.org> wrote:
> > > > > Ric,
> > > > > 
> > > > > No, I disagree. The syntax inside the engine changed, and using old
> > > > > themes is causing syntax errors. Now, if that crashes gtk, then the
> root
> > > > > cause of the crash should be fixed IMO...
> > > > > 
> > > > > I did not find anything wrong in my code, so I don't know what
> causes
> > > > > the crash.
> > > > 
> > > > Man I can appreciate that!  Maybe there is nothing 'wrong'...
> > > > The thing is that you are correct:  THE solution is to make it so that
> gtk
> > > > themes won't do that.
> > > > But that may not be possible by XFce as, maybe, it is a GTK+ problem.
> (?)
> > > > In the interim though, until a real solution is found, not having
> themes
> > > in
> > > > the list that you know are going to cause problems would be a good
> idea,
> > > > ithink.  The user is going to think "it works in xyz - it must be XFce
> v4
> > > at
> > > > fault".  It seems a bit unfair but that is always the way it is.
> > > > It begs the question: how many of the themes in the Settings can cause
> > > > problems? Does anyone know?  If not, then only listing themes from the
> > > panel
> > > > default install and xfce-gtk-engine might be a really good thing until
> a
> > > > proper fix is found. (presuming of course that you know those themes
> are
> > > AOK).
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Olivier.
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 22:26, Ric wrote:
> > > > > > Olivier:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > > However, no end user is going to know that. I didn't know where
> > > > > Xfce-funklor
> > > > > > originated(until now) . It is in the Settings Mangler/UI  list and
> > > > > therefore
> > > > > > should just work.  If there are incompatible themes, they should
> not
> > > be in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > list that is produced by Settings Manager/User Interface, IMHO.
> > > Perhaps a
> > > > > > little more control on what gets placed in that list is warranted
> ?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- Olivier Fourdan <fourdan at xfce.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > Ric,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Xfce-funklor is not compatible with latest xfce engine and may
> crash
> > > GTK
> > > > > > > apps.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Just use the xfce themes that ship with the version of
> > > gtk-xfce-engine
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > Olivier.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 21:40, Ric wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I experienced another problem with Xfce-funklor previously too
> but
> > > it
> > > > > > > seemed
> > > > > > > > to be random and not always repeatable so no report but it
> just
> > > > > screwed
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > system again with RC1:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I was clicking on different User Interface selections to find
> one
> > > that
> > > > > > > might
> > > > > > > > be similar to the Bluex from XFce v3(no luck there) and when I
> > > clicked
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > > xfce-funklor I lost all window decorations and mouse buttons. 
> I
> > > had
> > > > > > > clicked
> > > > > > > > on/changed about 10 themes before I got to Xfce-funklor. 
> Also, I
> > > > > noticed
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > part of gkrellm was showing on that workspace which it should
> not
> > > have
> > > > > > > been. 
> > > > > > > > All the other open X processes might have been there too but
> were
> > > > > obscured
> > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > galeon windows. 
> > > > > > > > The only way out of that situation was the three fingered kill
> of
> > > X.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Previously, in Beta 2:
> > > > > > > >  -clicked on theme XFce-funklor and the Settings Manager died
> and
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > restart by clicking on panel icon. I checked the running
> processes
> > > and
> > > > > > > (xf)
> > > > > > > > panel, desktop, wm, taskbar (and xscreensaver) were all
> apparently
> > > > > running
> > > > > > > > normally. That was semi-repeatable.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I do not know if it would have worked but it would have been
> nice
> > > if I
> > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > have just restarted  xfwm4.  Is there a way to set & do that
> from
> > > the
> > > > > > > > keyboard?




=====
Have A Great Day!

Ric
***
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