Xfce-funklor ->xfwm crash

Ric fhj52ads at yahoo.com
Sat Jul 19 11:52:34 CEST 2003


--- Olivier Fourdan <fourdan at xfce.org> wrote:
> Ric,
> 
> Frankly, I see your proposal as a horrible hack :)
>
> Really, I won't maintain a black list of GTK themes hardcoded in the
> setting manager...

huh? who said/asked that? I certainly did not.  That would be D! near
impossible to create or maintain -there must be a thousand GTK+ themes by now.
 All I suggested was that you use a list that you know works:  The default
themes installed + whatever else you think is appropriate... but not use the
entire gtk+ gallery and whatever the user has in $HOME/.themes/  too ...

whatever...

The problem apparently is that funklor uses " TRUE" instead of " true " in the
gtk2 gtkrc file.  I made changes to funklor's gtkrc by reducing the spacing
and changing it to read

  engine "xfce" 
  {
      smooth_edge = true
  }
}

It was ... " = TRUE " before.  That seems to have fixed the crash problem.  I
have not been able to get it to do it anymore.
While testing that change I clicked on Redmondxp and ir did not work properly
but since it did not CRASH the system, found an error in the .xsession-errors 
file indicating that it had the same problem(TRUE). 

GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: file gobject.c: line 1337 (g_object_unref):
assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
/usr/share/themes/Xfce-Redmondxp/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:43: error: unexpected
identifier `TRUE', expected keyword

As soon as I made the same changes to it, changed TRUE to true(in two places),
the error went away.  
I also noticed that xfce-funklor and xfce-Redmondxp are almost the same theme;
it's prbly a copy error. BTW, " TRUE " is used a lot in gtk gtkrc files but I
could not find any gtk2 gtkrc files with it.  All of them are lower case.

Of course I have no way of knowing if that is _the_ fix or just a hack that
makes it appear to be okay.  It looks like Glib really cares if one uses
capitals but idunno if it should or not.  Personally, I would hope not.

System/X/WM crashes are not a good thing. ...  If there is some way to prevent
that from happening, well, IMHO, it should be done.

There is not a lot that we can do about gtk-engines2  but since 
" Xfce-Redmondxp " came from the old gtk-xfce-engine it can be replaced 
with the newer " xfce-redmondxp " files.  The two are different, but not 
that much.   And the easy way to fix xfce-funklor is to include it in a new 
gtk-xfce-engine-2 release with the appropriate changes and also replace 
the old files.   Or whatever way you think is best. ...


> Cheers,
> Olivier.
> 
> On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 22:58, Ric wrote:
> > --- Olivier Fourdan <fourdan at xfce.org> wrote:
> > > Ric,
> > > 
> > > No, I disagree. The syntax inside the engine changed, and using old
> > > themes is causing syntax errors. Now, if that crashes gtk, then the root
> > > cause of the crash should be fixed IMO...
> > > 
> > > I did not find anything wrong in my code, so I don't know what causes
> > > the crash.
> > 
> > Man I can appreciate that!  Maybe there is nothing 'wrong'...
> > The thing is that you are correct:  THE solution is to make it so that gtk
> > themes won't do that.
> > But that may not be possible by XFce as, maybe, it is a GTK+ problem. (?)
> > In the interim though, until a real solution is found, not having themes
> in
> > the list that you know are going to cause problems would be a good idea,
> > ithink.  The user is going to think "it works in xyz - it must be XFce v4
> at
> > fault".  It seems a bit unfair but that is always the way it is.
> > It begs the question: how many of the themes in the Settings can cause
> > problems? Does anyone know?  If not, then only listing themes from the
> panel
> > default install and xfce-gtk-engine might be a really good thing until a
> > proper fix is found. (presuming of course that you know those themes are
> AOK).
> > 
> > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > Olivier.
> > > 
> > > On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 22:26, Ric wrote:
> > > > Olivier:
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks.
> > > > However, no end user is going to know that. I didn't know where
> > > Xfce-funklor
> > > > originated(until now) . It is in the Settings Mangler/UI  list and
> > > therefore
> > > > should just work.  If there are incompatible themes, they should not
> be in
> > > the
> > > > list that is produced by Settings Manager/User Interface, IMHO.
> Perhaps a
> > > > little more control on what gets placed in that list is warranted ?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- Olivier Fourdan <fourdan at xfce.org> wrote:
> > > > > Ric,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Xfce-funklor is not compatible with latest xfce engine and may crash
> GTK
> > > > > apps.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Just use the xfce themes that ship with the version of
> gtk-xfce-engine
> > > > > 
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Olivier.
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 21:40, Ric wrote:
> > > > > > Hi:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I experienced another problem with Xfce-funklor previously too but
> it
> > > > > seemed
> > > > > > to be random and not always repeatable so no report but it just
> > > screwed
> > > > > the
> > > > > > system again with RC1:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I was clicking on different User Interface selections to find one
> that
> > > > > might
> > > > > > be similar to the Bluex from XFce v3(no luck there) and when I
> clicked
> > > on
> > > > > > xfce-funklor I lost all window decorations and mouse buttons.  I
> had
> > > > > clicked
> > > > > > on/changed about 10 themes before I got to Xfce-funklor.  Also, I
> > > noticed
> > > > > that
> > > > > > part of gkrellm was showing on that workspace which it should not
> have
> > > > > been. 
> > > > > > All the other open X processes might have been there too but were
> > > obscured
> > > > > by
> > > > > > galeon windows. 
> > > > > > The only way out of that situation was the three fingered kill of
> X.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Previously, in Beta 2:
> > > > > >  -clicked on theme XFce-funklor and the Settings Manager died and
> > > would
> > > > > not
> > > > > > restart by clicking on panel icon. I checked the running processes
> and
> > > > > (xf)
> > > > > > panel, desktop, wm, taskbar (and xscreensaver) were all apparently
> > > running
> > > > > > normally. That was semi-repeatable.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I do not know if it would have worked but it would have been nice
> if I
> > > > > could
> > > > > > have just restarted  xfwm4.  Is there a way to set & do that from
> the
> > > > > > keyboard?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > =====
> > > > > > Have A Great Day!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Ric
> > > > > > ***
> > > > > > Thought for today:
> > > > > > Do not take yourself too seriously.  Nobody else does. ;)
> > > > > > 
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> > >    Interoperability is the keyword, uniformity is a dead end. 
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