Why CSD?

[Andrzej]

I would not like to see any part of Xfce rely, use or even endorse CSD. 
Please, just scrap these plans. Honestly, it's a bit of a shock, I 
though the consensus was we stand by our users.

Definitely Scenario 4 from me.

If a third party application requests that - fine, display it without 
the title bar. But given the split in the community and strong opinions 
surrounding this topic, even that should be left to the user.

Thanks,

Andrzej

On 21/10/2019 15:18, jEsuSdA 8) wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
>
> I just read this piece of news:
>
> https://simon.shimmerproject.org/2019/10/19/xfce-4-15-development-phase-starting/
>
>
> Where we can read the new plans to add CSD to XFCE.
>
> I also read https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.16/roadmap/general_ui/csd
>
>
> But I still no understanding the actual benefits of switching to CSD 
> paradigm.
>
>
> What are the benefits of migrating to CSD?
>
> I ask this cause In my opinion, mixing normal and CSD is a pain. There 
> is no way to have a uniform experience and appearance when using 
> almost tall GTK themes but the awful Adwaita and window composition 
> like Compiz, Compton, etc. and I had to make some tricks to avoid some 
> CSD effects.
>
> In my opinion, HeaderBars are a non-sense. You only have a good 
> desktop experience when you only use CSD+HeaderBars apps, which is 
> impossible cause a normal user uses a lot of applications that does 
> not follow these UI Guidelines. Also a normal user uses QT 
> applications inside GTK environments. At least you have no plans to 
> use HeaderBar, which is good news.
>
> In the screenshots we can see at 
> https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.16/roadmap/general_ui/csd there are 
> some cases we can see how the XFCE consistency breaks:
>
>
> https://wiki.xfce.org/_media/releng/4.16/roadmap/general_ui/notifyd.png
>
> https://wiki.xfce.org/_media/releng/4.16/roadmap/general_ui/notifyd-csd.png
>
> - If you configures XFWM to not showing the icon in the window border, 
> when using CSD the icon could appears in left-top corners.
>
> - The window title border size is not the same in CSD windows and 
> Non-CSD ones.
>
> - You can minimize, roll, maximize and close the non-CSS windows, but 
> you only can close the CSD ones.
>
> - What if the XFWM is configured to not using composition (so windows 
> have no shadows) and CSD windows forces shadows?
>
> - And, what if you are using a configuration of composition with 
> shadows and CSD have shadows too? (I use compton and I have to tweak 
> the CSS theme to avoid CSD shadows, cause, if not all the CSD windows 
> have 2 shadows)
>
>
> I’m a bit worried about the new CSD implementation. So, please, help 
> us to understand why this is preferable.
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
>
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