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<p>I would not like to see any part of Xfce rely, use or even
endorse CSD. Please, just scrap these plans. Honestly, it's a bit
of a shock, I though the consensus was we stand by our users.</p>
<p>Definitely Scenario 4 from me.</p>
<p>If a third party application requests that - fine, display it
without the title bar. But given the split in the community and
strong opinions surrounding this topic, even that should be left
to the user.<br>
</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Andrzej<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21/10/2019 15:18, jEsuSdA 8) wrote:<br>
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<p><font face="Bitstream Vera Sans">Hi!</font></p>
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<p><font face="Bitstream Vera Sans">I just read this piece of
news:</font></p>
<p><font face="Bitstream Vera Sans"><a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://simon.shimmerproject.org/2019/10/19/xfce-4-15-development-phase-starting/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://simon.shimmerproject.org/2019/10/19/xfce-4-15-development-phase-starting/</a></font></p>
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<p><font face="Bitstream Vera Sans">Where </font>we can read the
new plans to add CSD to XFCE.</p>
<p>I also read <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.16/roadmap/general_ui/csd"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.16/roadmap/general_ui/csd</a></p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>But I still no understanding the actual benefits of switching
to CSD paradigm.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>What are the benefits of migrating to CSD?</p>
<p>I ask this cause In my opinion, mixing normal and CSD is a
pain. There is no way to have a uniform experience and
appearance when using almost tall GTK themes but the awful
Adwaita and window composition like Compiz, Compton, etc. and I
had to make some tricks to avoid some CSD effects. </p>
<p>In my opinion, HeaderBars are a non-sense. You only have a good
desktop experience when you only use CSD+HeaderBars apps, which
is impossible cause a normal user uses a lot of applications
that does not follow these UI Guidelines. Also a normal user
uses QT applications inside GTK environments. At least you have
no plans to use HeaderBar, which is good news. <br>
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<p>In the screenshots we can see at <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.16/roadmap/general_ui/csd"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.16/roadmap/general_ui/csd</a>
there are some cases we can see how the XFCE consistency breaks:</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://wiki.xfce.org/_media/releng/4.16/roadmap/general_ui/notifyd.png"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.xfce.org/_media/releng/4.16/roadmap/general_ui/notifyd.png</a></p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://wiki.xfce.org/_media/releng/4.16/roadmap/general_ui/notifyd-csd.png"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.xfce.org/_media/releng/4.16/roadmap/general_ui/notifyd-csd.png</a></p>
<p>- If you configures XFWM to not showing the icon in the window
border, when using CSD the icon could appears in left-top
corners.</p>
<p>- The window title border size is not the same in CSD windows
and Non-CSD ones.</p>
<p>- You can minimize, roll, maximize and close the non-CSS
windows, but you only can close the CSD ones.</p>
<p>- What if the XFWM is configured to not using composition (so
windows have no shadows) and CSD windows forces shadows?</p>
<p>- And, what if you are using a configuration of composition
with shadows and CSD have shadows too? (I use compton and I have
to tweak the CSS theme to avoid CSD shadows, cause, if not all
the CSD windows have 2 shadows)<br>
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<p><br>
</p>
<p>I’m a bit worried about the new CSD implementation. So, please,
help us to understand why this is preferable.<br>
</p>
<p>Thanks a lot!</p>
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