[gtk-xfce-engine] Gtk+3 Themes

Wed Jul 17 10:14:17 CEST 2013

On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:49:42 +0530
Satyajit Sahoo <satyajit.happy at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 17-Jul-2013 12:14 PM, "Genghis Khan" <genghiskhan at gmx.ca> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for the references.
> >
> > On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 21:03:53 +0530
> > Satyajit Sahoo <satyajit.happy at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > GTK 3.4 is rather outdated. And I highly doubt that anyone will
> > > port themes to GTK 3.4.
> > >
> >
> > Yes, indeed; For the most part, the GTK3 themes I referred to and
> > of the Shimmer Project http://shimmerproject.org do work well with
> > version 3.4.
> >
> > > GTK3 themes seem to break every release, even though the amount of
> > > breakage has been greatly reduced. So it's unlikely that anyone
> > > will want to port to an older GTK3 version.
> > >
> >
> > Of course not. I have pointed out the version of GTK3 I use in the
> > hope to get a "shout out" from someone that has the current Xfce
> > themes for GTK3 working properly with latter version of GTK3.
> >
> > I want to check if there are any official news in this matter. If I
> > will get a negative or no respond, I will ask the Shimmer Project,
> > if they would be willing and gracious enough, to work on ports for
> > official Xfce themes, in coordination with the Xfce team, if needed.
> >
> 
> I want to check if there are any official news in this matter. If I
> will get a negative or no respond, I will ask the Shimmer Project, if
> they would be willing and gracious enough, to work on ports for
> official Xfce themes, in coordination with the Xfce team, if needed.
> 
> I'm from the Shimmer project team. I do most of the GTK3 porting. We
> currently have no plans for porting the default Xfce themes. But if
> the themes stop to break every release, we can port them I think.
> 

I would be very delighted when this would occur.

> And yeah, since we started porting the themes during GTK3.4 times,
> Albatross and Greybird have proper GTK3.4 support.
> 
> > > If you use Xubuntu, the default themes Greybird, Bluebird and
> > > Albatross already support GTK3. And in the upcoming Ubuntu
> > > version, they have 2 more GTK3 themes, namely Numix and Orion.
> > >
> >
> > According to the names you wrote, I assume you referred to the
> > Shimmer Project; I like Numix the most, yet it has an
> > nontraditional look[1] a fixed gtk+ widget appearance which I think
> > is better appropriate to be determined by the user in theme
> > settings dialog, not in a theme itself.
> >
> 
> I don't understand what you mean by fixed GTK+ widget appearance.
> Don't all the themes have a fixed appearance? Can you clarify?
> 

These are bothering me. 

gtk-button-images = 0 #Disables icons for buttons with text
gtk-toolbar-style = 0 #Disables text in toolbar
gtk-auto-mnemonics= 1 #Disables ugly lines under menu items

IMHO, such modification are to be made individually at .gtkrc-2.0.mine
and .config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini.

> > [1] e.g. the trend of having the menubar widget in a different
> > color, usually dark) than the rest of the widget in order to fit to
> > a dark Xfwm4 theme
> >
> 
> I don't think it hampers usability in any way. It's just a different
> design.
> 

It indeed does not. I wish you would provide a traditional look where
the menubar is not intended to be in the same color of the window bar.

> > [2] absence of icons on buttons or menus, void arrows in scroll bars
> > and other things
> >
> 
> Icons on buttons and menus can be added in the settings dialog. Can't
> they? About the scrollbars, Numix tries to look modern, and therefore
> follows modern approaches in theming.
> 

Yes, but not all use theme managers. Concerning to modern look, it
would be good to provide "old school" variants.
* Is there a theme manager that is able to toggle scrollbar arrows?

> Anyways, Numix doesn't try to be old school. So you may not like the
> design approaches. About being lightweight, it doesn't make heavy use
> of effects and mostly uses flat colors.
> 

This is why I prefer it the most.

> > [Side Note] I use Numix with this color scheme: gtk_color_scheme =
> >
> "base_color:#f9f9f9\nbg_color:#dedede\ntooltip_bg_color:#dedede\nselected_bg_color:#4B6983\ntext_color:#333333\nfg_color:#555555\ntooltip_fg_color:#555555\nselected_fg_color:#f9f9f9\nmenubar_bg_color:#dedede\nmenubar_fg_color:#555555\ntoolbar_bg_color:#dedede\ntoolbar_fg_color:#555555\nmenu_bg_color:#dedede\nmenu_fg_color:#555555\npanel_bg_color:#dedede\npanel_fg_color:#555555\nlink_color:#0000ee"
> >
> > > And about lightweight, GTK3 is heavier than GTK2, and themes
> > > aren't that slow for you to notice a difference.
> > >
> >
> > This is true to modern machines. To test performances of themes I
> > use a very weak and old machine with 1.6GHz (CPU), 250MB (RAM) and
> > a weak graphics card.
> >
> > Xfce themes have no competition in being smooth, lightweight and
> > traditional.
> >
> > > On 16-Jul-2013 5:54 PM, "Genghis Khan" <genghiskhan at gmx.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > Are there new developments or news concerning to GTK+3 ports of
> > > > the current GTK+2 themes of Xfce?
> > > >
> > > > I have wondered when will there be updates for Gtk+3 theme sets
> > > > of Xfce, in general, and of Xfce-basic, Xfce-kde2 and
> > > > Xfce-smooth, in particular.
> > > >
> > > > In the meantime, I would be glad to have a reference to a theme
> > > > of GTK+2/3 that has a simple interface and is lightweight, like
> > > > Xfce.
> > > >
> > > > For instance, I would not want themes like Siva or FlatStudio,
> > > > as they are more complex and are taking longer time and
> > > > graphic/video resources (i.e. not lightweight) than Xfce themes.
> > > > http://opendesktop.org/content/show.php/Siva+Flat+1.3.0?content=156879
> > > > http://opendesktop.org/content/show.php/FlatStudio?content=154296
> > > >
> > > > I use gtk+3 version 3.4.4.
> > > >
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