Prevent Xfce from darwing desktop background

Brian J. Tarricone bjt23 at
Fri May 15 09:52:48 CEST 2009

On 05/14/2009 11:12 PM, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:02:23PM -0700, Brian J. Tarricone wrote:
>> Sorry, but you just don't understand anything about how X works.
> Yes, that's perfectly true.  That's why I asked for help here on
> this list.  And thanks to the specific help of David Mohr I was
> able to find a solution.  Telling people to shut up instead of
> finding out why they come to wrong conclusions is probable not
> so good style.

What, can't take a little criticism mixed in with the help I attempted 
to give[1]?  You said, and I quote: "and if you ask me I'm insisting 
that it is a bug if a window manager does not restore the background he 
put a window on."  It's quite tiresome when I'm attempting to help 
someone who "insists" they know what they're talking about when they don't.

Word of advice: unless you are absolutely sure (and by that, I mean you 
have traced down the problematic code in question and can possibly 
provide a patch), don't insist that you know there's a bug in something.

 > Perhaps this thread at least gives some clue how
 > to enhance the configuration interface to make things more clear.

Not really.  You're doing something corner-case: attempting to run Xfce 
with a core component missing.  While we have written Xfce with 
modularity in mind so that sort of thing works, it's not something we 
intend to support out of the box.

 > If you are targeting only at those users who understand xfce
 > internals your user base would probably be somewhat limited.

If you'd spent more than two days here you'd easily realise that the 
focus of the past couple years of development has been to make 
configuration easier and more transparent, not the other way around.

> Kind regards



[1] In point of fact, David did help you, but only with a secondary 
problem *that you created* in your testing to figure out the cause of 
the problem.  I was the one who actually pointed you to the possibility 
that perhaps you weren't running xfdesktop at all previously, which 
turned out to be the correct solution.  While I'm not trying to suggest 
"I helped you, so now I'm allowed to flame you," please note that I *am* 
interested in helping people out, but I'm *not* interested in listening 
to unfounded, semi-insulting, borderline-arrogant speculation as to what 
the cause of a problem is.  (Especially when, in this case, the problem 
was user error.)  Perhaps this is just a language barrier issue, but 
regardless, I'd suggest you soften your tone a bit when asking for free 
tech support for a piece of software you received for free.

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