Prevent Xfce from darwing desktop background
Brian J. Tarricone
bjt23 at cornell.edu
Fri May 15 09:52:48 CEST 2009
On 05/14/2009 11:12 PM, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:02:23PM -0700, Brian J. Tarricone wrote:
>> Sorry, but you just don't understand anything about how X works.
> Yes, that's perfectly true. That's why I asked for help here on
> this list. And thanks to the specific help of David Mohr I was
> able to find a solution. Telling people to shut up instead of
> finding out why they come to wrong conclusions is probable not
> so good style.
What, can't take a little criticism mixed in with the help I attempted
to give? You said, and I quote: "and if you ask me I'm insisting
that it is a bug if a window manager does not restore the background he
put a window on." It's quite tiresome when I'm attempting to help
someone who "insists" they know what they're talking about when they don't.
Word of advice: unless you are absolutely sure (and by that, I mean you
have traced down the problematic code in question and can possibly
provide a patch), don't insist that you know there's a bug in something.
> Perhaps this thread at least gives some clue how
> to enhance the configuration interface to make things more clear.
Not really. You're doing something corner-case: attempting to run Xfce
with a core component missing. While we have written Xfce with
modularity in mind so that sort of thing works, it's not something we
intend to support out of the box.
> If you are targeting only at those users who understand xfce
> internals your user base would probably be somewhat limited.
If you'd spent more than two days here you'd easily realise that the
focus of the past couple years of development has been to make
configuration easier and more transparent, not the other way around.
> Kind regards
 In point of fact, David did help you, but only with a secondary
problem *that you created* in your testing to figure out the cause of
the problem. I was the one who actually pointed you to the possibility
that perhaps you weren't running xfdesktop at all previously, which
turned out to be the correct solution. While I'm not trying to suggest
"I helped you, so now I'm allowed to flame you," please note that I *am*
interested in helping people out, but I'm *not* interested in listening
to unfounded, semi-insulting, borderline-arrogant speculation as to what
the cause of a problem is. (Especially when, in this case, the problem
was user error.) Perhaps this is just a language barrier issue, but
regardless, I'd suggest you soften your tone a bit when asking for free
tech support for a piece of software you received for free.
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