Xfce Digest, Vol 24, Issue 29

Fri Nov 18 17:03:12 CET 2005

-- "Mamáááááá!! los frijoles se están pegandoooo!!!"

--- "Déjalos que se maten!"

Sorry, I didn't resist the temptation...

I will translate in the best possible way, promess.....

Miguel

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> 1. Re: Installing under SuSE 10 (Andrew Conkling)
> 2. Re: Re: The Thunar Path (sofar)
> 3. Re: Installing under SuSE 10 (Biju Chacko)
> 4. Re: The Thunar Path (Biju Chacko)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:22:26 -0500
> From: Andrew Conkling <andrew.conkling at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Installing under SuSE 10
> To: XFCE general discussion list <xfce at xfce.org>
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> On 11/17/05, Dennis J. Tuchler <dennis.tuchler at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Why do you think it would be inadvisable for me to try the installer
> > plus the tarballs?
>
> It's all comfort level. If you feel up for it, go for it. I hear
> it's nice, but it's still going to be up to you to resolve
> dependencies, sort out any pkgconfig issues, etc.
>
> --
> http://aconkling.blogspot.com
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:50:05 +0000
> From: sofar <sofar at foo-projects.org>
> Subject: Re: Re: The Thunar Path
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> On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 9:25:54 -0500, <aussiefax at charter.net> wrote:
> > I am looking forward to using Thunar (it sure looks nicer
> > than ROX), but I'd really like to see it become something unique,
> because
> > I believe in what the developers of XFCE are setting out to accomplish
> with
> > their desktop. Simplicity.
>
> depending on how you describe 'unique', you may very well be horribly
> disappointed with thunar's design goals. Thunar will be an ordinary
> plain and simple file manager that just does the basics right - not much
> more.
>
> That in itself may be unique already, but it is not the uniqueness of
> anything ground-breaking, and it will never be that too. To be honest,
> thunar isn't even worth getting cocky about - and thanks to anti-heros
> like Benny who are performing this ingrateful development venture, we
> get exactly this: A basic file manager that does things right.
>
> Just what Xfce needs ;^)
>
> Auke
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>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:10:13 +0530
> From: Biju Chacko <botsie at xfce.org>
> Subject: Re: Installing under SuSE 10
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> Andrew Conkling wrote:
> > On 11/17/05, Dennis J. Tuchler <dennis.tuchler at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >>Andrew Conkling wrote:
> >>
> >>>Also, unless you have a specific need, 4.2.2 packages might be just
> >>>fine for you; they are, after all, bugfixes.
> >>
> >>Good idea, except there is no SuSE 10 set for 4.2.2. packages, either.
> >
> >
> > One of the most frustrating things I found about some of the large
> > distros; they seem to support only GNOME or KDE. If you're not able
> > to find *any* 4.2 packages for Xfce, I'd seriously reconsider distro
> > choice. However, it's likely that some user somewhere has set up a
> > repository for Xfce packages. Make sure you search well.
> >
> > (Using Mandrake really helped my search skills for finding packages.
> > Now I just use Arch and can easily make my own.)
>
> Bernhard Walle makes SuSE packages of Xfce, IIRC.
>
> -- b
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:32:09 +0530
> From: Biju Chacko <botsie at xfce.org>
> Subject: Re: The Thunar Path
> To: XFCE general discussion list <xfce at xfce.org>
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> aussiefax at charter.net wrote:
> > First:
> > Sorry I missed the Thunar mailing list. Seems a little redundant to
> > matter. I'll happily use it but like I said I'm not a developer so my
> input really
> > belongs here.
> >
> > Second:
> > I don't claim to be as technically savvy as most of you. I assume
> > you're all mostly developers. I am an artist. I see things
> > visually. My thoughts on this are more simple than yours. To really
> break it
> > down, I'd love to use a system that looks and feels like iTunes to
> > manage and dig through my files. Eventually, this will happen.
> > Whether on linux, OS X or Windows. In fact it's obviously already
> > started in many different forms. The average user doesn't remember
> > where they've saved their files. I know this because I sell
> > computers for a living. I'm not sitting in my mom's basement writing
> > code and watching Babylon 5. I see my confused customers every day. The
> > same customer's that can't remember where they saved their Office
> > documents could tell you exactly where their Bob Dylan songs are.
> > Something like the iTunes interface (Type Manager) along with
> > something like Spotlight (or Beagle) for searching would sure make it
> easier
> > for the average user because a file hierarchy is no longer
> > between them and their data. When I first thought of the idea it
> > sickened me as well. I like to keep all my files in their nice
> > little folders. I know where everything is. But I'm not the average
> > computer user either and the more I think about a change in file
> > management, the more I embrace the idea.
> >
> > Point well taken that the Type Manager is currently used in countless
> > programs to organize more specific files. But lets break out of our
> > box for a moment shall we? When I run iTunes I'm no longer JUST ,
> > managing music, I'm managing: jazz, rock, punk, opera, etc. Then
> > suddenly I'm a level deeper managing: Beatles, Elvis, They Might Be
> > Giants, etc. Get the picture? What kinds of files do most NORMAL
> > users have? contacts, jpegs, gifs, calendars, notes, movies, word,
> > etc. I could break these up into separate folders (playlists). Not
> > folders that the system has made and named for me, but folders within
> > a type manager program that are listed out alphabetically that "I"
> > have made and named myself! Suddenly, they're much easier to find
> > and search for than ever before! A type Manager (in my opinion) is a
> > good all around system for managing ALL of a users files.
>
>
> Frankly, this is not somehing that should be done at the UI level. What
> you're talking about is, IMO, a filesystem issue. BFS, for example,
> could probably have done what you ask.
>
> Why is this an FS issue? Wouldn't it be incredibly irritating to sort
> your data based on tags in your "Type Manager" and then not be able to
> be able to use the same logic to open the file in OpenOffice?
>
> Does it make sense to visualise something one way in the GUI and then
> not be able to use the same logic in a shell script?
>
> Of course, I suspect it'll be a bit of a job to build a tag-based FS and
> still be POSIX-compliant.
>
>
> > Personally... building a normal file manager like Thunar, that is
> > really nothing different than OS X's Finder or Gnome's Nautilus,
> > really seems like a waste of time. By the time it's out, it will be
> > outdated. The link to the article was meant as an opportunity to
> > perhaps inspire some of you. A few of you seemed to like it while
> > others did not. Whatever your opinion, you cannot deny that this is
> > a system seriously being considered for the future to replace the
> > standard file manager. It's something that any developer (I would
> > think) would take interest in. Especially one working on the
> > development of a file manager like Thunar. I'm not saying it's the
> answer to
> > all the file management problems in the world, just something worth
> looking
> > at.
>
> Again, you're bitching at the wrong people: hence the lack of interest.
> Go crib on lkml or the kernel list of whichever OS you use.
>
> > Third:
> > It's sad to see some linux developers living up to the hasty
> > generalizations that are attached to them. I'm glad you're so
> > opinionated, but I'd loose the cockiness or you'll miss out on the
> future,
> > and people will be yawning at your point-of-view instead. Developers
> should
> > be taking the opinions of their users seriously, no matter how mundane
> or
> > idiotic they may seem. After all, It's the user's choice that matters,
> not
> > the developers'. I am looking forward to using Thunar (it sure looks
> nicer
> > than ROX), but I'd really like to see it become something unique,
> because I
> > believe in what the developers of XFCE are setting out to accomplish
> with
> > their desktop. Simplicity.
>
> You're awfully snippy for someone who's completely dependent on the
> goodwill of others to get software. And I'm not sure what you're so
> annoyed about. Your request was taken seriously enough to be answered,
> wasn't it? Or are you just saying that developers should blindly agree
> to whatever their users say without thinking about it?
>
> You made a feature request, it was turned down. It happens. Get over it.
>
> -- b
>
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