Auto Start in XFCE4

[Uwe Dippel]

Fabian Hänsel wrote:

> The autostart files are only executed if they are executeable by the
> user.

they are, see my post

> They will be called from startxfce4. Means they won't be executed
> unless you use the script startxfce4 or put something appropriate into
> your xinitrc.

Now I'm getting closer. I had/have an startxfce on 3.8; but on xcfe4 
there isn't.
Maybe a Debian-problem/change ? I think I installed all the packages 
(apt-get should), but here there isn't.
To start, I use gdm.

xinitrc only sources /etc/X11/Xsession.

And I'm not sure that I want to start those apps whenever I start X; 
rather for XFCE only ?

How to go about ?