xfce4 panel

[Collins Richey]

On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:41:16 +0530
Biju Chacko <botsie at myrealbox.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 05:35:28 -0700, Collins Richey wrote:
> 
> > Biju Chacko <botsie at myrealbox.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 19:23:41 -0700, Collins Richey wrote:
> > > > 2. Is it possible to link to the desktop quit function from the
> > > > panel quit button?
> > > 
> > > This will happen once we have a working session manager. I haven't
> > > had any success with either xsm or gnome-session, so this may take
> > > a while.
> > >
> > 
> > I (and perhaps others) would have tremendous objection to the use of
> > gnome session (except perhaps as a conceptual model).  One of the
> > storngest points about xfce is that it is lightweight, i.e. you
> > don't need to drag in all of the bloat associated with gnome or
> > kde/qt in order to have a functional window manager.  What was wrong
> > with the xfce3 window manager, and why can't it be upgraded for
> > xfce4?
> 
> This has nothing to do with Gnome or KDE. This is just part of XFce4's
> stated goal of being more standards compliant. XFce4 is already
> compliant with the X Session Management Protocol. That is, all the
> various apps are all libSM clients. We don't have a server (a session
> manager) yet. Currently the only session managers that I know of are
> xsm and gnome-session. Read:
> 
> ftp://ftp.x.org/pub/R6.6/xc/doc/hardcopy/SM/xsmp.PS.gz
> 
> for more details. I've tested session management with xsm and
> gnome-session as session managers and haven't had any success.
> 
> What does all of this have to do with your original question? Well,
> eventually all the app will interact with your session using xsmp. You
> will then be able to end your X session with *any* app that offers an
> 'exit', logout or quit option and uses xsmp to achieve it.
> 
> So don't worry, we are not trying to introduce GNOME or KDEs bloat!
> 
> > > > 3. Related to 2, is it possible to link to the desktop menu from
> > > > a button on the panel?  I have an 800x600 display with every
> > > > byte used, so it's difficult to find a blank area exposing the
> > > > desktop to middle button click to get to the menu.
> > > 
> > > This is on my TODO list. But don't hold your breath. BTW, you
> > > really shouldn't be using xfdeskmenu anymore.
> > > 
> > 
> > And what should we be using?  Please explain.
> 
> The new application for all desktop related functionality is
> XFDesktop. It manages the background image, popup menus and margins.
> it replaces both XFDeskmenu and xfbd4. 
> 
> Unfortunately, it's popup menus are not very configurable ... which is
> mostly my fault. :-(
> 
> Ummmm ... does anybody know if Xfdeskmenu and XFDesktop play well with
> each other?
> 

Thanks for clarifying these issues.

Please tell us more about XFDesktop and how we should be doing as
regards menus. My only need for the menus at present is to be able to
access the Quit function since this is not possible from the Panel Quit
button.

Just as an asside, I believe that the xfrun4 function should have a
prominent place on the panel (as I have now implemented for myself) so
that there is no need to go to the Menu for this function.

-- 
Collins Richey - Denver Area
Athlon-XP gentoo 1.4_rc2++ system xfce4-cvs