Proposal: reorganizing i18n

André Miranda andre42m at gmail.com
Tue Oct 10 03:54:23 CEST 2017


These ones:
https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n-br
https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n-cn
https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n-de
https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n-fr
https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n-pl

Instead, keep only:
https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n

All in all, I agree with the proposal, except B3, there's enough 
friction already about self-hosted/proprietary services, let's see how 
we settle for the git hosting then we talk about Transifex :)

Cheers,
Andre Miranda

On 10/09/2017 10:48 PM, Igor Zakharov wrote:
> Hi,
>
> What maillists are you talking about?
> I'm translating on transifex but have never used any maillist for that.
>
> Regards,
> Igor
>
> 09.10.2017, 20:41, "Pablo Roberto Lezaeta Reyes" <prflr88 at gmail.com>:
>>
>>     On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 1:08 AM Vinzenz Vietzke <vinz at vinzv.de
>>     <http:///touch/compose?to=vinz@vinzv.de>> wrote:
>>
>>         Hi there,
>>
>>         I recently went through many parts of Xfce's i18n
>>         infrastructure and
>>         documentation. To make it short: lot's of old stuff, many things
>>         unmaintained but truly a lot of useful gems grown throughout
>>         the years.
>>
>>         So following up is my proposal for reorganizing i18n in Xfce,
>>         split into
>>         two phases. I put it up on this list to reach more people.
>>
>>
>>         A. Short term
>>
>>         1. Dump mailing lists. One list (xfce-i18n) is enough and for
>>         language-specific questions, discussions a short [LANG] tag
>>         added to the
>>         email topic should do the distinction job.
>>         Bonus: questions might be answered quicker as more people
>>         read them.
>>
>>
>> ​Yes, 1 Mailist is enough and most (just most not all) project I know 
>> use only one.​
>>
>>
>>         2. Before dumping email all lists subscribers directly and
>>         (of course)
>>         telling them about. Plus asking them if they are on this list
>>         alread
>>         and, which is even more important, if they would like to help
>>         out on
>>         Transifex.
>>
>>
>> ​There are cases of Transifex contributors not in any of the lists so 
>> if is possible send a mail
>> to the contributos on transifex too could help them know that there 
>> is a maillist or see that is
>> encouraged to at least be part if it.​
>>
>>         3. Transifex needs coordinators for every language. If there
>>         is no one
>>         coordinating a language there should be some
>>         "super-coordinators" as
>>         backup. These persons shouldn't be devs or at least not core
>>         devs.
>>         Stacking work leads to problems.
>>
>>
>>
>> ​Yes a super-cordinator could go in hand since there are some 
>> languages without cordinators
>> as you mentioned, also there are cordinators that are MIA too.​
>>
>>         B. Long term (mostly RFC)
>>
>>         1. Ease up the introduction process. Someone dropping by at
>>         Transifex
>>         sees the need of some translation work in his language. If he
>>         decides to
>>         register at TX, to join team *and* do work: yeah, cool!
>>         But forcing him to additionally join the mailing list and
>>         introduce
>>         himself is a major blocking thing. I guess it's something
>>         from the
>>         pre-Transifex days where quality assurance had to be done
>>         manually. But
>>         with the split of translators & reviewers over TX this should
>>         be obsolete.
>>
>>
>> ​Well so far many aren't arealdy on the mailist so dropping it is ok.​
>>
>>         2. Wiki needs clean up. There are lots of really, really
>>         useful things.
>>         But as well there is lots of ancient, outdated stuff.
>>         Unfortunately most
>>         stuff is mixed so there needs to be manual work done.
>>         TBD: a process of cleaning up, either dumping everything and
>>         rebuilding
>>         or the other way around.
>>         ​​
>>
>>
>>
>> ​Wiki just need a way to anyone to contribute, I have tryed sign-in, 
>> log-ing but i failed... is
>> somewhat ​looked or need special permissions?
>>
>>         3. Revise the use of Transifex. It's not self hosted and it's
>>         proprietary but it does the job. There are up- and downsides
>>         of it so in
>>         the light of the Git hosting discussion TX should also be
>>         reconsidered
>>         *openly*.
>>
>>
>>
>> ​I still remember why we move to transifex.
>> "Was because the self hosting was becoming so time consimong and we 
>> havent
>> updated the stuff and it was breaking" or something like that...
>> Returning to self host will be like return to the same thing that we 
>> move to
>> reduce the burder over the maintainers.
>>
>> Also I thing with all we could ended trying to chew more that our 
>> maws can handle, so
>> better see how the git-self-host-move go and then evaluate the option 
>> and the option​s of move
>> and where to move with the translations.
>>
>>         Generally speaking I'd step up for both doing "dirty jobs" as
>>         well as
>>         coordination work.
>>         Thanks for your time reading this!
>>
>>         Looking forward to your comments,
>>         vinz.
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