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These ones:<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n-br">https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n-br</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n-cn">https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n-cn</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n-de">https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n-de</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n-fr">https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n-fr</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n-pl">https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n-pl</a><br>
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Instead, keep only:<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n">https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n</a><br>
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All in all, I agree with the proposal, except B3, there's enough
friction already about self-hosted/proprietary services, let's see
how we settle for the git hosting then we talk about Transifex :)<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Andre Miranda<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/09/2017 10:48 PM, Igor Zakharov
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<div>What maillists are you talking about?</div>
<div>I'm translating on transifex but have never used any maillist
for that.</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Igor<br>
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<div>09.10.2017, 20:41, "Pablo Roberto Lezaeta Reyes"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:prflr88@gmail.com"><prflr88@gmail.com></a>:</div>
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AM Vinzenz Vietzke <<a
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I recently went through many parts of
Xfce's i18n infrastructure and<br>
documentation. To make it short: lot's of
old stuff, many things<br>
unmaintained but truly a lot of useful
gems grown throughout the years.<br>
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So following up is my proposal for
reorganizing i18n in Xfce, split into<br>
two phases. I put it up on this list to
reach more people.<br>
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A. Short term<br>
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1. Dump mailing lists. One list
(xfce-i18n) is enough and for<br>
language-specific questions, discussions a
short [LANG] tag added to the<br>
email topic should do the distinction job.<br>
Bonus: questions might be answered quicker
as more people read them.<br>
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<div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;">Yes, 1
Mailist is enough and most (just most not all)
project I know use only one.</div>
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2. Before dumping email all lists
subscribers directly and (of course)<br>
telling them about. Plus asking them if
they are on this list alread<br>
and, which is even more important, if they
would like to help out on<br>
Transifex.<br>
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are cases of Transifex contributors not in any of
the lists so if is possible send a mail</div>
<div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;">to the
contributos on transifex too could help them know
that there is a maillist or see that is</div>
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to at least be part if it.</div>
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3. Transifex needs coordinators for every
language. If there is no one<br>
coordinating a language there should be
some "super-coordinators" as<br>
backup. These persons shouldn't be devs or
at least not core devs.<br>
Stacking work leads to problems.<br>
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<div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;">Yes a
super-cordinator could go in hand since there are
some languages without cordinators</div>
<div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;">as you
mentioned, also there are cordinators that are MIA
too.</div>
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B. Long term (mostly RFC)<br>
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1. Ease up the introduction process.
Someone dropping by at Transifex<br>
sees the need of some translation work in
his language. If he decides to<br>
register at TX, to join team *and* do
work: yeah, cool!<br>
But forcing him to additionally join the
mailing list and introduce<br>
himself is a major blocking thing. I guess
it's something from the<br>
pre-Transifex days where quality assurance
had to be done manually. But<br>
with the split of translators &
reviewers over TX this should be obsolete.<br>
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far many aren't arealdy on the mailist so dropping
it is ok.</div>
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2. Wiki needs clean up. There are lots of
really, really useful things.<br>
But as well there is lots of ancient,
outdated stuff. Unfortunately most<br>
stuff is mixed so there needs to be manual
work done.<br>
TBD: a process of cleaning up, either
dumping everything and rebuilding<br>
or the other way around.
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just need a way to anyone to contribute, I have
tryed sign-in, log-ing but i failed... is</div>
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looked or need special permissions?<br>
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3. Revise the use of Transifex. It's not
self hosted and it's<br>
proprietary but it does the job. There are
up- and downsides of it so in<br>
the light of the Git hosting discussion TX
should also be reconsidered<br>
*openly*.<br>
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<div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;">I still
remember why we move to transifex.</div>
<div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;">"Was
because the self hosting was becoming so time
consimong and we havent <br>
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<div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;">updated
the stuff and it was breaking" or something like
that...</div>
<div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;">Returning
to self host will be like return to the same thing
that we move to</div>
<div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;">reduce
the burder over the maintainers.</div>
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thing with all we could ended trying to chew more
that our maws can handle, so</div>
<div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;">better
see how the git-self-host-move go and then
evaluate the option and the options of move</div>
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where to move with the translations.<br>
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Generally speaking I'd step up for both
doing "dirty jobs" as well as<br>
coordination work.<br>
Thanks for your time reading this!<br>
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Looking forward to your comments,<br>
vinz.<br>
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