Why design matters

Patrik Bubák bubapa at privacyrequired.com
Sun Jul 26 00:29:05 CEST 2015


This pretty much summed up what I wanted to say all along. 

Sent on the go 🙋On 26 Jul 2015 12:24 am, Martin Hammerchmidt <martin.hammerchmidt at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi everyone.
>
> I did'nt read all your answers but I want to give you my opinion as a regular xubuntu user.
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> I find Xubuntu beautiful and it do not hurt my eyes. But xfce, unlike other popular desktop environment is not really beautiful out of the box. This demonstrate the power of xfce : it is customizable ! But if the new user don't know how to get a fancy desktop environment, he go away. That mean that the user need to be helped.
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> Look at unity (just as example), out of the box it work well with everything as expected by the user. Modern, Fancy, Flat. So I really think that the design (the visual design, the use design) is truly important, especially the base (out of the box) design.
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> Hope that help,
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> Regards.
>
>
> On 16:19, Sat, Jul 25, 2015 Simon Steinbeiß <simon at xfce.org> wrote:
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>> Hi Patrik,
>>
>> On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 16:09:42 +0200
>> Patrik Bubák <bubapa at privacyrequired.com> wrote:
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>> > Simon,
>> >
>> > below I'm illustrating very quickly examples of what I meant (I hope
>> > it'll be clear from the screenshots, very quick drafts to support my
>> > arguments):
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I know you already provided a response to this, it's just I wanted for
>> > everyone to clearly understand what I meant.
>> >
>> > Next:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The Telegram label above the panel illustrates the position it should
>> > keep. Instead, when you insert buttons from the left side for example,
>> > the label is pushed to the right and does no longer maintain its
>> > position.
>>
>> Right, that was pretty much what I thought you'd mean. So you're talking about the xfwm4 titlebar and the xfce4-panel, specifically items in the systray and items with spacers that should be centered in terms of panel-width.
>> I know that currently neither of that is possible. I already tried to explain the problem with the systray. Maybe with some hacking this could be improved. The other two could also simply go into bugreports that illustrate the desired behavior. FWIW, I don't really have that problem (and I'm not as obsessive anymore about having my window-titles absolutely centered as I was a few years ago ;)) http://i.imgur.com/eSJwaGV.png
>>
>> So head over to https://bugzilla.xfce.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Xfwm4 and https://bugzilla.xfce.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Xfce4-panel and file your feature requests.
>>
>> If you can't provide patches for these issues yourself, devs will take a look – when/if time and motivation permits (that's the same with all FOSS projects I've worked with).
>>
>> Cheers
>> Simon
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