Split-panes in Thunar.

Sat Nov 15 17:26:29 CET 2014

I forgot to say to you that I usually am rgmf on IRC and I am there often.

On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 17:23:02 +0100
Román <rgmf at riseup.net> wrote:

> Hi ;)
> 
> My primary motivation is helping xfce project and I have began implementing a split-pane because it was a feature I like. This experience has helped me to learn so much about thunar project. So now I would like to fix bugs and so on.
> 
> This is the first time I try to help in an important free software project. It is a must for me because the great free software community has given me many things and now I'd put my two cents (I have always used Linux and free software thanks to people like you).
> 
> It would nice talking with you on IRC and I would be very happy if you help me in anything to help to xfce (I use xfce for almost 10 years and I now would like to help).
> 
> Thank you for your attention and all your comments ;)
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 00:06:03 +0000
> Steve Dodier-Lazaro <sidnioulz at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Román,
> > 
> > I understand that it's hard to commit to making things more usable for
> > others when your primary motivation was to write the software that you
> > need, and that's fine. But maybe it's not as time-consuming as you
> > think, and I'm happy to help talk to you on IRC about it.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > 2014-11-14 22:36 GMT+00:00 Román <rgmf at riseup.net>:
> > > Hello Steve.
> > >
> > > Yes, I understand your comment and Nick's opinion. But, I like Thunar, is my favorite file manager but I missed the split pane feature so I developed it for me. In addition this work has helped me to know better Thunar and now I am trying to fix some bugs (this is the important work to do, I think).
> > >
> > > Anyway I suggest to developer to try to add this feature but at the same time I understand this feature is not as important than other things.
> > >
> > > All you say about design, funcionality... it is ok, you are right. If someday the developers decide to add this feature will bring humbly everything I can, but right now, like I said you before, this feature was implemented for me although everyone can use it, obviously.
> > >
> > > Thank you very much for your comment and suggestion ;)
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > >
> > > On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 16:42:43 +0000
> > > Steve Dodier-Lazaro <sidnioulz at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi everyone,
> > >>
> > >> I think Nick's firm opinion about the relative value of split panes is
> > >> maybe not so immediately understood. I think a prime goal of Xfce is
> > >> that interacting with the Xfce software should be simple. You should
> > >> be able to learn what it does easily, and to know how to operate it
> > >> easily. A lot of what Xfce is has been iteratively developed, well,
> > >> very much like developers do: by writing code, testing it, getting bug
> > >> reports and improving things.
> > >>
> > >> Now, this process means that radical changes can have radically
> > >> negative effects on users who may not understand the changes, have
> > >> their own ways of working disturbed or even prevented, and who may
> > >> generally not have needs for something new. That's why if you want to
> > >> make large-scale changes to how Xfce changes, it would be a good idea
> > >> to:
> > >>
> > >> 1) ensure that you do not degrade the existing user experience of the
> > >> existing Xfce users
> > >> 2) create something that behaves and feel consistent with the rest of Xfce
> > >>
> > >> It's not so easy to reach those goals since we have very limited
> > >> design resources, in particular we can't get every UI/UX patch through
> > >> proper user testing.
> > >>
> > >> I would personally probably very much enjoy to use split panes, but I
> > >> would like to know if it will do me more good than harm and if I can
> > >> use it enjoyably. I think you should sit down and define in a document
> > >> how it should behave, and then test it to ensure it behaves as
> > >> expected. In particular:
> > >> - how does one switch to and from split pane?
> > >> - how does it integrate with the multi tab feature?
> > >> - does it do what multiple tabs do at least as well, in particular how
> > >> do I know where each pane is pointing, and where I am currently on the
> > >> UI?
> > >> - what specific problems does it want to solve? How do Xfce users
> > >> currently solve them (speculative or real data)? Is the split pane way
> > >> better?
> > >> - is it gonna be obvious to the users who would benefit from the split
> > >> panes why they would?
> > >> - is the inclusion of split panes harmful in any way to existing users
> > >> (that requires serious brainstorming, really it does)?
> > >> - who will maintain your patch? is the cost/benefit ratio of the above
> > >> questions worth them doing so?
> > >>
> > >> You've done half of the job with a working example, I do encourage you
> > >> to do the other half!
> > >>
> > >> Best regards,
> > >>
> > >> 2014-11-14 15:13 GMT+00:00 Román <rgmf at riseup.net>:
> > >> > On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 10:42:11 +0600
> > >> > Baurzhan Muftakhidinov <baurthefirst at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Román <rgmf at riseup.net> wrote:
> > >> >> > Hello,
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > I have uploaded my thunar code with split pane view feature to my github and my gitorious:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > https://github.com/rgmf?tab=contributions&from=2014-09-02
> > >> >> > https://gitorious.org/xfce4-thunar/xfce4-thunar/source/5bf7c9cf2aa9ef18e64be09437e54a4fb704b1c0:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > In addition I have uploaded the patch to this Bug:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10232
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Hi,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> It's great that you uploaded the patch to Xfce's bugzilla.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> As for github, it has a great feature to import remote repositories, which
> > >> >> is suggested when you create a new repository. By your current repo,
> > >> >> it's hard to understand what's changed.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Just my 2 cents,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I will try this patch soon,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Regadrs,
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Hello Baurzhan and thanks for your suggestion. I didn't know that github feature. I am going to do that in my github.
> > >> >
> > >> > Cheers.
> > >> >
> > >> >
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