Xfce4-dev Digest, Vol 102, Issue 2

[Nick Schermer]

On 2012-05-02 17:10, Raphael Groner wrote:
>> Don't be a half-informed ass here mister. You obviously have no clue
>> what you're talking about so leave this to the experts please (the
>> mail didn't start with "Devs" in the first place).
>
> Mister, please keep being nice with the user base. Well, I guess you
> don't know me, according to your harsh comment here. I have been to 
> CLT
> 2012 (and already also to ohter events but as a normal user) and
> worked at the Xfce booth there. I talked with a lot of users there,
> most of them said they've moved from Gnome3 to Xfce and are now 
> missing
> their loved features. Those comments included often the request for a
> menu editor. So my question is: How can we communicate to the users
> about promised but delayed features or goals? To name each of those
> requesting users an "half-informed ass" would not make anybody happy,
> believe me.

If the user base is nice to me, I'm nice. If they start to shout about 
stuff they miss this is what I read:

"I'm a lazy user who has no intention to learn/submit or even try to 
code. However, you need me because I'm a user, so grab a pen and I'll 
list what you should do."

Well I have some news. The **ONLY** reason I work on Xfce is because 
**I** use it. Luckily for the users the stuff I code also works on their 
system. That also means I only work on the code that makes it for **me** 
easier to use Xfce.

> It was not my intention to start a flame war. I would like to mention
> only my impression about what feature requests are important.

And you think I'm not aware of missing features? If you don't want to 
start a flame war, then start a new topic on the ml (and stop using the 
digest) about what people want in 4.12 and leave the whole gtk3 
discussion out of it.

I ask a question, a technical question if people see problems when 
porting to Gtk3. Instead people start to whine about other features, 
login managers, menu editors (not only your fault)...
Very cute and all, but now we have 2 or more questions with no answer.

This proves for me it is a lot easier to decide things like this 
myself, it saves me energy typing emails like this, less spam on the ml 
and in the end (not bragging here, just looking at 4.10) 90% of the gtk3 
porting is either done or review by me. So why do I ask anyway...

Nick