Xfce4-dev Digest, Vol 102, Issue 2

Raphael Groner raphgro at web.de
Wed May 2 17:10:08 CEST 2012

Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 15:40:07 +0200
From: Devil505 <devil505linux at gmail.com>
To: Xfce development list <xfce4-dev at xfce.org>
Subject: Re: Xfce4-dev Digest, Vol 102, Issue 1
> About new features with XFCE 4.10, don't forget there a some nice
> whishlists there:
> http://wiki.xfce.org/wish_list
> http://wiki.xfce.org/plugins_wish_list

Wow. Two very long lists, but without any priorities.

I could not say it better in my last mail:

"Here you can post your feature requests for the panel plugins. There
is no guarantee that any of them will actually be implemented. Please
keep the Xfce philosophy in mind and add a small explanation why this
feature would be useful or a description of the problem it solves."

How is the decision process for "no guarantee" what feature gets

Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 15:00:50 +0200
From: Nick Schermer <nick at xfce.org>
To: Xfce development list <xfce4-dev at xfce.org>
Subject: Re: Xfce4-dev Digest, Vol 102, Issue 1
> Anyway, a menu editor is probably a goal for 
> 4.12 anyway.

Considering especially Alacarte or an Xfce editor in general, there are
more issues to be done for Xfce, not one patch and the other one, all of
those patches you have to collect from the different distributions. I
think not more than the GUI of Alacarte can be used for a (new) Xfce
editor. Alacarte uses gnome-pymenu that seems to be dead for
development, as well. So, there should be a port to garcon - cause at
least, to prevent duplication of code for the menu spec. It's quite
ridiculous that the Gnome project documents that spec online but decided
to step away from it with Gnome3.

> Don't be a half-informed ass here mister. You obviously have no clue 
> what you're talking about so leave this to the experts please (the
> mail didn't start with "Devs" in the first place).

Mister, please keep being nice with the user base. Well, I guess you
don't know me, according to your harsh comment here. I have been to CLT
2012 (and already also to ohter events but as a normal user) and
worked at the Xfce booth there. I talked with a lot of users there,
most of them said they've moved from Gnome3 to Xfce and are now missing
their loved features. Those comments included often the request for a
menu editor. So my question is: How can we communicate to the users
about promised but delayed features or goals? To name each of those
requesting users an "half-informed ass" would not make anybody happy,
believe me.

It was not my intention to start a flame war. I would like to mention
only my impression about what feature requests are important.

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