Xfce4-dev Digest, Vol 102, Issue 1

Nick Schermer nick at xfce.org
Wed May 2 15:00:50 CEST 2012

On 2012-05-02 14:40, Raphael Groner wrote:
>> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 11:38:56 +0200
>> From: Mark Trompell <mark at foresightlinux.org>
>> To: Xfce development list <xfce4-dev at xfce.org>
>> Subject: Re: Gtk3 for Xfce 4.12?
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>> > Now 4.10 is out in the wild, it is time to look at the 4.12 
>> roadmap
>> > and a part of that discussion is whether we want to port Xfce to
>> > gtk3.
>> ... from my package maintainers view I would say, please do so, in 
>> the
>> long term it's inevitable, anyway.
>> And as time goes by more applications will be ported to gtk3 and 
>> some
>> of them are throwing away gtk2 compatibility quite quick.
> Well, what does "quite quick" mean? It's about upstream development
> here. I can remember Xfce focussed on users' needs in the past, and
> those do come from downstream, the distributions and its maintainers, 
> so
> far, so right. But, those claimed features in marketing of Xfce were
> then: Lightweight libraries, Plugin API, simple to use applications.

None of this will change when porting to Gtk3. Don't see gtk3 as 
Gnome3, but more like gtk 2.26.

>> > Plugins: porting will be a lot of work in the core modules, not 
>> too
>> > much for panel plugins, but this this needs to be done.
>> >
> Who does this? Does upstream development start to care only on the 
> main
> core, meaning only providing some libraries that aren't used by an
> application anyhow? Then, please change your marketing, devs! I 
> remember
> xfburn is not working with Xfce 4.10 libraries, 4.10 got released
> recently. Maybe nobody had the idea to test xfburn against 4.10
> *before* the official release, so nobody needs it really? Why then, 
> it
> gets tested *after* an official announce?

Xfburn works fine with 4.10, I have no idea where you heard this. Same 
for alacarte, however, alacart does not respect the XDG_MENU_PREFIX spec 
(well gnome-menus doesn't). Anyway, a menu editor is probably a goal for 
4.12 anyway.

And we port all working an relevant plugins, it's just something we 
need to keep in mind.

> Please name that branch "Very broken" then.

Spaces are not allowed in branch names, sorry.

> Sorry, Gtk3 is the goal. But I think, there are more important user
> needs to prioritize. Xfburn (broken since 4.10), Alacarte (broken 
> since
> at least 4.8) and Plugins (broken sometimes, depending on the
> maintainer).
> Okay, let's start to remove xfburn, alacarte and some plugins if they
> are going to be dead for a while. But what will then remain? Not 
> much,
> for the point of view of an user. Distributions then will start to 
> patch
> for their own (not much other choice left) or implement applications
> from other projects (Gnome, KDE, LXDE, etc.). Good bye, well 
> integrated
> desktop environment.

Don't be a half-informed ass here mister. You obviously have no clue 
what you're talking about so leave this to the experts please (the mail 
didn't start with "Devs" in the first place).


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