Xfce Foundation status

Jérôme Guelfucci jeromeg at xfce.org
Sun Oct 17 15:06:19 CEST 2010

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Jannis Pohlmann <jannis at xfce.org 
<mailto:jannis at xfce.org>> wrote:

    So, I'm summing up below:

    On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 20:42:22 +0200
    Jannis Pohlmann <jannis at xfce.org <mailto:jannis at xfce.org>> wrote:

     > The draft is not finished yet but I have a few questions for you
     > anyway (please read KDE's articles of association first):
     >   * Do you think all this makes sense?

    Consensus seems to be: yes, this makes a lot of sense. Which in turn
    makes me happy of course. :)

     >   * Does a German e.V. (which is a non-profit organization registered
     >     in Germany) sound like a reasonable type of organization for

    Everyone seems fine with a German e.V. as long as there will always be
    someone to take care of the paperwork. There are a lot of German Xfce
    users who I know personally and there have always been a few German
    people deeply involved in Xfce as long as I've been around. So I guess
    a non-profit organization under German law should be fine.

     >   * Would you prefer "Xfce e.V." or "Xfce Foundation e.V." to be the
     >     name of the organization?

    A few concerns have been raised about the "Foundation" vs.
    "Association" issue. The majority, however, has expressed "Xfce
    Foundation e.V." to be their favorite name. So be it then.

     >   * For how many years do you think the board should be elected?
     >     3, 2 or 1?

    Some have said 3 for stability reasons, the consensus is that 1 year
    is too short (the main reason being our rather long release cycles in
    the past). I think 2 years is a good compromise, so let's say 2.

     >   * There is one clause about where the raised money should go in
     >     the e.V. is abandoned. The KDE people have decided to forward all
     >     their money to UNESCO. I have come up with a few alternatives.
     >     Which of the following organizations would you prefer the
    money to
     >     be handed over to in case the e.V. is closed?
     >       UNESCO, Amnesty International, Greenpeace, WWF or OLPC?
     >     You can of course make your own suggestions if you want to.

    The majority has made a different suggestion: the Free Software
    Foundation. Thematically, this makes a lot of sense. It's a signal
    that, even if Xfce should ever disappear, our efforts still will be
    aimed at supporting the free software ecosystem.

    I've updated the corresponding paragraphs in the document. I've also
    removed the clause that the FSF would have to contact the German
    finance office before any use of our money. I think that's not
    necessary and we should rather trust the FSF in that they will put
    our money to good use.

     > The founding process itself involves a formal meeting in real life
     > with at least 7 persons attending. As it seems unrealistic to
     > such a meeting with Xfce-only people from all around the world before
     > the end of the year, I propose that I organize this meeting in
     > Lübeck, gathering a few local Xfce users or friends. During this
     > meeting they would sign a resolution that says the board of directors
     > will be re-elected shortly after the e.V. has been registered. In
     > re-election we can then establish people more deeply involved in Xfce
     > as board members. (And we would of course decide not to take money
     > from e.V. members, so anyone can become part of the whole thing.)

    This has been a bit controversal. I can totally understand the desire
    of some to make turn kick-off meeting into a big celebration and to be
    part of that of course. However, the most important part of this whole
    process is to agree on initial articles of association, which we have
    been doing here. The rest is formalities that I don't consider a big

    I think there will be enough reasons and opportunities to celebrate
    the creation of the e.V. even after it has been registered because
    that's when we'll really notice the benefits.

    Ok, that's it for now. I'll be making some phone calls to collect
    more information on the actual registration process in the following
    one or two weeks.


As long as we organize an election right after the registration  (is 
this legally possible, or dowe have to wait for 2 years?), I don't care 
about who signs the paper. But as Christian said we need a board of 
people who know Xfce and are willing to make things move forward, not 
random people.

If we can't change the board right after the creation, I think it would 
be better to wait and/or gather the right people to sign the paper.

I would like to thank you for your work Jannis, I hope this will 
rekindle interest in Xfce and improve the global status.



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