Removing "Save session" from logout menu

David Mohr squisher at
Wed Apr 21 19:39:42 CEST 2010

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Pasi Lallinaho <open at> wrote:
> Hello all Xfce developers and enthusiastics!
> I'm sending this mail referring to the bug I just filed [1] and the
> conversation with Jerome some days ago at #xfce-dev. The bug description
> pretty much describes what I'd like and why. I also heard/remember this
> has been discussed earlier.
> What do you think of dropping the option?
> The reason why I originally started asking about this (again) is that we
> continuously have people with no panels. The most probable reason is
> that their panel has crashed for a reason or another (more on this in
> the next <p>), the panic and log out and the panel remains closed, and
> when they log back in, it's not even trying to start since they've saved
> the session with no panel.

You do realize that this is essentially a hack to fix the effects of a
bug. The real bug is inside the session manager, which should always
restart the panel right away. Or rather, maybe if it keeps crashing,
it should not delete the panel from the session. I think that's the
correct place to fix this behavior, not with actually having the
option to save the session.


> I also have an idea how to investigate what are the reasons why the
> panel crashes in the first place. (Especially Nick, tell me if it's
> sensible to do this;) In Xubuntu Lucid+1 pre-Alpha/Alpha/Beta releases
> we could "attach xfce4-panel to gdb" (I have no idea what this actually
> means, I was told you can debug panel this way) and try to gather
> information. We could instruct our testers to especially try to crash
> the panel and act when the panel (maybe) crashes. Xubuntu, and I think
> Xfce as well, would definitely benefit from this kind of testing, if the
> data would solve at least some of the panel crashing cases.
> Also, if you have any ideas why the panel might be crashing, how could
> we proceed with it and could that information be base for the tests we
> should make our testers work on? Lionel told his thoughts about this
> happening because of some session problems in libxfcegui4, is this possible?
> Just trying to get this solved out. Let's be creative and splat this
> old, stinky bug together!
> [1]
> Cheers,
> --
> Pasi Lallinaho
> Xubuntu Marketing Lead
> Web-designer, graphic artist
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