Xfce panel translucent

[Juha Kautto]

I hope I am not adding confusion or maybe I am missing something, but I 
have no problems of dragging windows under my panel. Works just fine. 
(using Xfce4 Beta 1)

/Juha

Brian J. Tarricone wrote:

>olivier,
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>On 10/04/04 13:53, Olivier FOURDAN wrote:
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>>Brian,
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>>>no, what i'm trying to say is that making the panel translucent adds
>>>functionality (makes it possible to see windows under it), which is useless
>>>unless you remove the current functionality that doesn't allow windows
>>>under the panel (personally, i've always thought this was dumb).
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>>But that's simply not true. Struts doesn't prevent windows to go under.
>>I don't understand why you keep saying that.
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>i don't keep saying that.  if you'll note, nowhere in this previous email
>did i breathe a word about struts.  i understood what you said after my
>first email - the panel's behavior of not allowing windows underneath it
>has nothing to do with struts.
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>>Struts and partian struts are used for maximization, window placement and
>>movement. A user can move a window under the panel even if it sets struts
>>(otherwise the desktop would be mostly unusable)
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>just to be clear: i understand that this has nothing to do with struts, ok?
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>>>it's fine for xfwm4 to avoid placing windows under the panel, but if i
>>>move a window under the panel myself, i really want it to go there.  in
>>>this case, xfwm4 is getting in my way; it's annoying.
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>>Again, that's not true. 
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>ok, then the panel is telling xfwm4 not to allow windows under it.  i
>really don't care what the mechanism is - you're avoiding my point by
>continually focusing on what may be my incorrect assumptions about how it
>works.  but the fact remains that i can't drag windows underneath the panel
>when it's in always-on-top mode.  and this annoys me.  a lot.
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>so, my original point still remains:  a translucent panel is useless
>if it doesn't allow windows *to be moved by the user* under the panel.  i
>don't care if this is achieved in the WM or in the panel itself, but i'm
>just saying that, if the panel keeps windows from going under it at all
>when it's in "always on top" mode, it seems kinda silly to force it to be
>translucent, since you can't make use of the area under the panel anyway.
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>>>at any rate, is this translucent panel thing going to be optional?  if not,
>>>i think that's a bad idea.  as benny points out, some people don't like
>>>it and want to disable it.
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>>Don' t run the compositor, or don't place the panel on top.
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>so you're saying that i can't have drop shadows, and run my panel on top,
>without it being translucent?  that's silly.  you're going to force me to
>give up drop shadows if i think translucent windows provide a poor user
>interface?  sure, they have their uses, but some people, especially those
>with vision problems, will find this disconcerting.  those same people
>might like (for example) drop shadows, because they help to differentiate
>the relative "heights" of overlapping windows.
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>>I suggest that you try the feature, place the xfce panel on top and try to
>>maximize a window, try moving other widnows, etc.
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>well, i can't right now, since i won't have access to a linux box until the
>end of the week.  but, as of this past friday, with the panel set on top,
>maximised windows do indeed avoid the panel (as i'd expect; this is good
>behavior); but i cannot drag windows beneath the panel (which i think is
>bad behavior).  if this latter behavior has changed with the advent of this
>new translucency feature, a) sorry for wasting your time, b) why didn't
>you say so in the first place?!
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>	-brian
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