xfmusic4 alpha release
hollywoodb at fastmail.fm
Wed Jul 14 16:50:26 CEST 2004
Erik Harrison wrote:
> I look at the lightweight/bloat issue this way - as a user.
> XFce is highly modular - it is the Unix of modern desktop
> environments. Every tool does one thing and does it well. Tools can be
> mixed and matched with each other and other environments. When a tool
> needs extensible functionality, it is performed though a simple plugin
I love this modularity, with nearly all WMs I've used, I've used
xfce-mcs-manager/xfce-setting-show to handle gtk2 themes.... I've always
used xfce4-panel with pager and a couple launchers... I also like using
xfdiff4 and xfrun4, as well as xfsamba4.... I feel this modularity is
important because it allows for a flexibility that doesn't require 20
libs and dependencies (libbonobo/ORBit/kdelibs anyone? :P)
> When I hear lightweight my major concern is memory usage and
> processor usage. This is usually a result of a well thought out and
> small design.
This I also agree with... For a very long time I ran openbox3 with
xfce4-panel & the tools mentioned above... Personally I'd like to see
xfce4 a little lighter on memory usage, but I don't want it to become as
stripped as say openbox3 or hackedbox.
> Here is what I hate about Gnome- gconf and gnome-vfs. Just use
> dotfiles for goodness sake. The problem with Gconf is that it's a huge
> framework that works best if everything uses it - so everything does,
> even when it is innappropriate. VFS has excessively rich semantics
> which have been used to implement things bizarrely. I want to use the
> Gnome panel - why should I have to use Nautilus to configure it? I
> have to because the applications menu is configured through the
> applications:// URI though gnome-vfs. ARG!
I feel this is what seperates xfce4 from the rest... IMHO, Gnome/KDE are
fully intertwined & SELF-integrated... I won't use K3B, even though I
think its a great app, simply because I don't want to have to
install/run half of KDE just to use one app. The xfce4 "desktop" is
much more modular, cleaner, simpler, smaller, and that's what I love
about it :) Bigger is not always better.
> As long as tools are kept distinct, and as long as the framework
> itself is not bloated, then I have no problem with adding apps.
> Harddrive space is cheap and plentiful, and I can just not install the
> bleeding thing if it bugs me. It's the inability to, say, uninstall
> Nautilus if I want to use the panel that irks me about Gnome.
Well put, my main concern is that too many apps/modules make it into the
core xfce4, rather than be considered addons or extras.
BTW, if you're a gnome panel fan, fbpanel is quite nice, although not my
cup of tea :)
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