Middle-clicking on the Mixer panel item of a non-mute-able track

[Jarno Suni]

On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 03:16:09 +0100
Jannis Pohlmann <jannis at xfce.org> wrote:

> Oh, come on! I told you several times today that I'm 100% aware of the
> issue. 

Take it easy, man. I did not ask you anything in the previous message.
Some other people may want to be aware of the issue.

I also wanted to point out that having QAMix there can act as a kind of
patch. (I did not tell about _that_ finding in any IRC channel or
bugzilla.) I know it is far from being elegant. And still you can break
the behavior by hovering a muted icon, waiting for a tooltip and
rolling.

> I also told you that its partly fixable within xfce4-mixer, but
> not entirely because its also the fault of GStreamer. 

I think it depends on how the panel item is specified to work in
this specific case. There are some options: 

1) Completely disable muting/unmuting by middle-click (or just set
volume to 0, but no mute-icon). This requires information about whether
a track is mute-able or not.

2) Set volume to 0 and show muted icon to mute. Leave the volume to 0
and show respective panel icon to unmute. This is how it works with
the QAMix patch. I am not convinced that no proper patch can be made
without fixing the gstreamer backend. (The Mixer dialog shows volume
level correctly at least.)

(Maybe the panel item should additionally store its muted-state to
remember it between Xfce sessions.)

3) Same as (2), but remember the previous volume, when unmuting. (This
would be emulating the behavior of mute-able tracks.)

> You and I
> even were in the GStreamer IRC channel and people told you that this is
> a known issue at their end.

Yes, we were online there at the same time. After I asked there, if
there is a way to know, whether a playback track is mute-able or not,
some <__tim> told that there is a patch for gstreamer/gst-plugins-base
that adds information about whether a mixer track is mute-able or not
(or so I understood it). I notified you about it, too. And you were
happy then, remember. (The same <__tim> did not recommend using gst
mixer as backend on the other hand.)

> So, please, stop reporting this issue again and again and again and
> again and again ... and again.

Sorry, I did not mean to disturb you about those reports. But I think
you are exaggerating about the amount of the repetition. This is
different media than the IRC channels. Reporting does not make Mixer
any worse. I am not reporting to you (only).

> Don't just ignore what I tell you.

It depends what you tell.

> Don't
> try to find the source of the bug if you don't have a clue (and by now
> I know that you don't have the slightest idea about anything at all).

I know that you are insulting me and looking down on me. I think trying
to understand the source code is not a bad thing. This is open source
software after all. But I understand, if you don't want to take time to
answer to many questions concerning the mixer. Still you seem to be the
only one to turn to besides the source code.

Anyway, I guess you are right in that I should not try to find the
source of the bug, since I don't have a working development
environment for Xfce SVN installed.

> I'm a really patient and friendly and helpful guy most of the time. But
> since you are repeatedly being a PITA and you just don't get it, I'm
> hereby declaring you a poisonous person (watch that Google Talk video
> if you want to know what that means) and I'm kindly asking everyone
> reading this to ignore you from this day on. To ignore you by not
> answering the dozens and dozens of pointless questions and remarks you
> have or make.

I watched the video* (although it was long) and I think you could learn
about it yourself, too.

I encourage people to use their own brains to decide whether to ignore
or not.

> Now will you please, please, please go away? Thanks.

No.

*) http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645

P.S. Were there some community discussion about how the Mixer should be
reshaped for Xfce 4.6? Or has it been Jannis Pohlmann's solo
project administratively? (If i remember right, Mr Pohlmann has told
that there is a Mixer redesign coming for 4.8 again, but I don't know
much more in detail.)

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