4.6: new windows now start on bottom

Chris G cl at isbd.net
Fri Jul 10 11:36:22 CEST 2009

On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 01:32:13PM -0700, Brian J. Tarricone wrote:
> On 2009/07/09 13:00, Chris G wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 08:48:47PM +0100, Olivier Fourdan wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Mike McNally<emmecinque at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>> I've written lots of throwaway GUI applications that show something in
>>>> a window but take all their input from a console.  For such a case,
>>>> again, I definitely want my console (xterm) command to launch that
>>>> window such that I can see it, but I also want to keep typing in my
>>>> xterm.  Another thing: I  don't necessarily raise my xterms when I
>>>> type in them - I may want to type a command in a window but keep
>>>> another window in front, because what I'm typing may affect it.
>>> But that's still a corner case. Turn it this way, if you have to
>>> choose between the two possibilities:
>>> a. Obscure the focused terminal where you are entering data with the
>>> output window (unfocused)
>>> b. Keep the focused window above the unfocused window, so you can see
>>> the data you enter
>>> What is the most sensitive choice? What do you think the vast majority
>>> of users would expect?
>> Neither!  :-)
>> Open the other window overlapping but *not* totally obscuring the
>> terminal window where you are typing.  The terminal window retains
>> focus because the cursor is positioned over the still visible part of
>> the terminal window,
> That effectively reduces to (a).  You can't guarantee that there will be  
> room to open the other window overlapping but not totally obscuring  
> (what if the window opens maximized, or just takes up too much room). So 
> what do you do then?  Completely obscure the focused window?  Well,  
> then, now your new window is focused anyway because the mouse is  
> probably over it now.
Yes, that's OK by me, if the new window happens to get the cursor in
it then it gets focus.

> And what happens when the new window is large enough that there's no way  
> to place it without putting a part of it under the mouse cursor?  So the  
> new window will get focus anyway and you're stuck moving your mouse back  
> to the other window.
That's what I'd expect to happen.

> On a side note (please bear with me; I don't use focus-follows-mouse, so  
> I'm not familiar with all the various behaviors), xfwm4 does have a  
> "raise new windows" option.  Doesn't turning that on/off do what you'd  
> expect, even if you're using focus-follows-mouse?  Or does turning that  
> on also focus it?
I *think* I already get what I expect, it seemed that things might be
changing such that it no longer works as it did in 4.4 (and 4.6?).

Chris Green

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