several defects and enhacement-wishes

[samo]

> > Just for the protocol, yesterday i did downgrade all to
> > ubuntu-edgy (4.3.90-99) level, and then the keyboard shortcuts
> > for switching workspaces / sending windows to workspaces stopped
> > to work. Then i upgraded back to ubuntu-unstable (4.3.99), no
> > change.
> > The keys are recognised (and eaten) (even Terminal's cursor
> > changes while key is pressed), but nothing else.
> >
> > today i'll check these repos above, as if they are official (-;.
> > Any idea what went broke - and doesn't want to come back sane?
> > would 'rm -rf ~/.cache' help? i'll try anyway.
> > i'm near sure it is not because of version - edgy works ok on
> > another machine.
> >
> > > > And another thing there - are the table/panel sizes fixed in
> > > > the code or what? e.g. i never see the right column of that
> > > > shortcut-assignment table, only the left one.
> > >
> > > Maximize the window helps.
> >
> > yes, but this is not a fix.
> > should i just shut up and leave u alone?
> > one of the big problems of the free software is the near-complete
> > absense of usability-analysis and _especialy_ synthesis; and the
> > hack-it-workaround-it attitude, thus making temporary solutions
> > permanent, doesnt help that either.
> >
>
> This has a lot to do with xfce+ubuntu. The xfce mailing list has
> had numerous messages related to getting xfce working with ubuntu.
>
> The version of xfce you are using is beta (or maybe release
> candidate to be more technically correct). The xfce maintainers
> have spoken of having at least one more rc before final. If you
> want finished software, don't use betas.
>
> I am a fairly new xfce user who discovered the hard way that the
> ubuntu repository wasn't giving me the desired results with xfce.
> The primary issue was that the required xfce packages in the ubuntu
> repository were not all of the same vintage. Installing from source
> was the only way that I could get what I wanted. But I did it with
> the recognition that I may encounter some problems.

> So...no you shouldn't just shut up and leave [the xfce mailing
> list] alone. You could do something to make it better, even if only
> reporting things that don't work. Whining doesn't make a
> difference. This--" one of the big problems of the free software is
> the near-complete absense of usability-analysis and _especialy_
> synthesis"--makes no difference. The very thing that you are
> complaining about is one of the reasons that open source (free)
> software is fixed 8 times faster on average than comparable (in
> terms of function and quality) proprietary software.
>
> Are you willing to participate in usability analysis and synthesis?
> Are you willing to contribute what you can to improve xfce and
> other free software that you use? Or are you just going to use it
> and complain about the ineffectiveness of other people's volunteer
> efforts?
ok,ok. nevermind me mumbling. 
i have accumulated a lot of using-without-returning. 
now i am going to return some. in one form or another.
nagging about things if needed ;-)

when i solve the 'disappeared wm keyboard shortcuts' mistery above, 
i'll post it here. rm -rf ~/.cache does-not help (these shortcuts are 
in ~/.themes/.)

so u think it is ubuntu packaging making the troubles? mmmh. i think 
it's something else.
i'll checkout svn-head next.

ciao
samo