Features wishlist for xfce 4.1

[Xan]

Dijous 03 Juny 2004 23:02, en/na Jasper Huijsmans (<Jasper Huijsmans 
<jasper at xfce.org>>) va escriure:

> Ok, let me try to explain what offended me in your mail.
>
> Here I am, spending hours and hours of free time on a project, which, I
> admit gives me great satisfaction, so I'm not complaining.
>
> Then, one day comes along a person, who I've never met before, who has
> never before shown any interest in the project, let alone be involved in
> it, who tells me it's my 'moral obligation' (!!!) to do what he says ...
>
> So, yes, that pissed me off, and I know I wasn't alone in that. There
> are many other things in your mail that have the same tone of demanding
> other people to do what you want, but I won't repeat them here.

No. I did not say any "demanding". I only made a thought of open source 
projects. Sorry if I offended you. I said that I not refered to you nop XFCE.

>
> I don't think asking for features is stupid, in fact all suggestions are
> very much appreciated. I do however think that writing a mail
> complaining how free software developers somehow have any obligation
> towards you is stupid when you want these same developers to take your
> request seriously.

It's clear that nobody has no obligation to anybody, and moreover people who, 
by majorty at hobby, spend hours and hours of their time (probably you) 
writing and designing code. And moreover I can't, don't should, and don't 
_want_ to say what has to be included in any application. I _don't say that_. 
The _only_ that I said is that developers of any project (repeat, I don't 
refer to XFCE; probably, it were the exception) should be more receptive of 
desktop users suggestions. I only say that. Perphaps I _excede_ my language. 
Maybe in part because english is not my native language. 

Yes. I said that the developers have to got "moral obligation". Well, it's in 
the way that they should do their application for the people that use it and 
so the comments of users should be considered seriously. And I think that in 
some projects (I repeat, not XFCE) this not happens.

I only commented this.

>
> You say you didn't mean to offend anyone. I'll take your word for it and
> forget all this. But please think about what I said if you want to write
> another rant about how free software should be developed.
>
> 	Jasper

Sorry if I offend you (any of you).
Regards,
Xan.


>
> Xan wrote:
> > Dimecres 02 Juny 2004 22:19, en/na Jasper Huijsmans (<Jasper Huijsmans
> >
> > <jasper at xfce.org>>) va escriure:
> >>Xan wrote:
> >>...
> >>
> >>>I don't know why the open source projects in general ignore the majorty
> >>>of feature request. I think that the team of the project have the
> >>> (moral) responsability to make that their software are the best as
> >>> possible, even more if anyone (a user) say that it could be more good
> >>> if it has this feature.
> >>
> >>Please reread above (and the rest of your mail) and think about why that
> >>is about the stupidest thing you can say if you ever want your requests
> >>to be taken seriously. Just a friendly warning.
> >>
> >>Some things that make a request more likely to succeed:
> >>
> >>1) A good reason, i.e. a use case, not "I like it better" (although that
> >>still can work if we agree).
> >>
> >>2) A patch ;-) No guarantees, but it helps.
> >>
> >>3) Being polite. Doesn't hurt, anyway.
> >>
> >>
> >>	Jasper
> >
> > Sorry if I offend you. This was not my intention. I speak with the best
> > intention. Not with hurt intention. My sorries if I hurt you.
> >
> > For the other hand, I speak in general. I did not refer to xfce4 project
> > else to open souce projects in general. I want that this were clear.
> >
> > And related to topic, I only said that (sorry if I can't express as I
> > want) the team of project have to treat the enhancement of the
> > application in a more important way. Open source community tends to think
> > that a bug is a very important thing and an enhancement isn't.
> >
> > I'm in agree that the bugs (specially security bugs) are very important
> > things. But the enhancements are very important too.
> >
> > For the final user (tipically desktop user) could be so important an
> > enhancement than a bug. But the open source community thinks different.
> >
> > If we not provide a periodic new enhanced versions, where is the
> > innovation of applications?. And if we only provide the geek enhancements
> > in release, where is the user's requests?. I view this as a person who
> > makes a house. Obviously, that person has to build the house for it
> > doesn't felt (the house has to be consistent, robust), but has to ear the
> > people who will live in and has to build it as people want.
> >
> > Do you know what I want to say?
> > I'm very sad if you think that it's a stupid thing.
> >
> >
> >
> > Xan.
>
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