Can xfce4 iconize to the desktop

[roger]

Thanks Brian,

I just wasn't aware of this page (http://spuriousinterrupt.org/xfce4/#faq), 
which provides very good information.

Cheers,
Roger

On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 03:48 pm, Brian J. Tarricone wrote:
> as i've pointed out on this list before:
> http://spuriousinterrupt.org/xfce4/#faq
> granted, this hasn't specifically answered the minimised-apps question
> until i just added it now, but the general statement about icons should
> have been enough of an answer.
>
> i personally am not a big fan of having minimised apps turn into regular
> desktop icons.  xfdesktop 4.4 will probably have some kind of iconbox
> embedded into the desktop which you can resize, move around, etc., but
> the icons will auto-place themselves in rows/columns.  actually, now
> that i think about it, it should be possible to be a little bit more
> general so you can essentially set the iconbox to the screen size.  i
> suppose the ability to move them around isn't too much to ask.
>
> one thing to remember: while i acknowledge xfce's roots, xfce4 is not a
> CDE clone.  it has some CDE-ish features, but, to be perfectly honest, i
> don't like CDE all that much, and i don't plan on turning xfdesktop into
> a clone of CDE's desktop.  if your users require a CDE-like environment,
> perhaps xfce3 might be more suitable.
>
> just a quick response from something the original poster said, because
>
> it bugs me:
> > 1. active applications can be iconized to the desktop, remembering
> > where they belong
> > (this is CDE.  If your windowmanager can't do this, how are you
> > similar to CDE?)
>
> huh?  i hardly see this as "CDE's defining feature".  one thing that
> makes xfce CDE-like is the panel, with its category/drawers model.
> being "similar" to something doesn't mean you do everything the same
> way.
>
> 	-brian
>
> On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, roger wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm not sure that these basic requirements are unpopular... and I'm not
> > the only one thinking so.
> >
> > At work, we've got numerous (not so antique) Sun and AIX
> > workstations/servers as well as cheap Linux-based PC's, which we mainly
> > use just for connecting to the Sun's and AIX's, then displaying
> > applications running on those boxes.
> >
> > For us, who simultaneously run a lot of applications (mainly xterm's and
> > editors), a taskbar (or even an iconbox) is not up to the job: we
> > definitely prefer the CDE/Motif icons for minimized applications.
> >
> > For that reason, we've been running Xfce3 on our Linux boxes until
> > recently. Unfortunately, after having swapped our old Sun Workshop's with
> > newer SunOneStudio's, we found out that the Xfce3 window manager wouldn't
> > display properly these IDE's (parts of them were just out of screen!).
> >
> > So we upgraded to Xfce4, which is much better that Xfce3 in any
> > respect... except for minimized application icons!
> >
> > Personally, I've been running Xfce4 (with iconbox) since its first
> > release on my home desktop, but here I don't have the same constraints I
> > have at work (I don't own 20 other machines on which I would have 10
> > connected xterm's per each :-)
> >
> > Months ago I inquired about the prospect of having CDE-style icons within
> > Xfce4 (features wish). I then was nicely answered to be patient since
> > someone was already working on this.
> >
> > Is this project still on?
> >
> > Thanks for your time,
> > Roger.
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 03:09 am, Nepple, Bruce wrote:
> > > I currently use CDE, and was told that XFCE was similar.
> > >
> > > From http://xwinman.org/xfce.html
> > > XFce is a lightweight desktop environment for UNIX platforms.
> > > It is similar to the commercial CDE, and is now based on the GTK+
> > > toolkit
> > >
> > > My requirements for a desktop/windowmanager are simple (but, it seems,
> > > unpopular):
> > >
> > > 1. active applications can be iconized to the desktop, remembering
> > > where they belong (this is CDE.  If your windowmanager can't do this,
> > > how are you similar to CDE?)
> > >
> > > 2.  Multiple workspaces
> > >
> > > 3.  right click or some other simple application startup method
> > >
> > > Shading doesn't cut it, although it would be neat to have shading &
> > > icons.
> > >
> > > I typically have 8 or 10 terminals with 30 to 40 edit sessions in a
> > > single workspace, and they are organized by desktop position.  It is
> > > very cluttered, as is my real desk. I may have up to 10 active
> > > workspaces of similar complexity.
> > >
> > > (What use is a desktop if you can't put anything on it :)? )
> > >
> > > Anyway, can xfce4 be forced to work that way (iconize to desktop).  I
> > > disabled the taskbar and got no icons whatsoever.
> > >
> > > BTW,  If you know what other window/desktop manager might work for me,
> > > please let me know. (maybe CTWM?).  I just have to get away from our
> > > friggen solaris antique iron.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bruce
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