Anybody interested in joining xfwm 4 devel ?

[Jasper Huijsmans]

Yes, placing suggestions on SF could be useful. Alternatively we could 
agree to use [XFCE4] in the subject of our mails on this subject. That 
should make it easy enough to find the messages again.

A list of goals would be nice and it would be nice to know who is working 
on which part. This may be a little difficult, though.

My skills are limited, but at least I can do GTK2 reasonably well. I could 
do some of the convenience library stuff (if we want this), like file 
dialogs and running programs with error reporting. I did some for the 
utilities I ported. Maybe I have to make them a little more general.

I can also do documentation. I propose to make the switch to xml  to be 
compatible with KDE and GNOME. I converted the current docs some time ago, 
but that might not be too useful now. Maybe I could make a document on how 
to make and process xml documentation and make a template for xfce docs or 
something. I'd like to use scrollkeeper to have xfce docs listed in the 
help browsers of GNOME and KDE.

Maybe we could make a list of small tasks for people to implement according 
to their skills and interests.

Olivier, Edscott, Guido, you seem to be the most skilled and/or experienced 
programmers (and Alan of course, but I assume you don't have time to get 
involved with all this) so I guess it might be up to you to come up with 
The Right Design for xfce4 and maybe even the splitting of the work. Sorry, 
for the name dropping and I hope nobody feels offended, but your ideas and 
suggestions might just carry a little more weight than my own babbling.

         Jasper

At 12:37 PM 3/22/02, you wrote:
>On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:33:35 +0100
>Jasper Huijsmans <j.b.huijsmans at hetnet.nl> wrote:
>
>Maybe it's a good idea to store all suggested features in a topic,
>or a documentation place on sourceforge. Let's collect some suggestions and
>use that as a goal.
>
>Placing suggestions on this message-board is ok, but you lose the overview 
>after a few days.
>Next tou your (good) suggestions i remember lots of requests about xftree 
>like costom icons, plugins etc.
>
>
>
>
> > Right, I have been thinking a bit about how things could work (in general
> > terms, no implementation).
> >
> > XFwm
> > * window management
> > * session management
> > * XSETTINGS manager
> > * xfwm/xfce settings manager (applying styles to everything)
> > * Completely work with extended window manager hints
> >
> > Configuration
> > * xfstylemgr works on xml file(s)
> > * notification of changes through x client messages on root or on 
> invisible
> > xfwm window (like xsettings)
> > * xfwm applies changes to gtkrc file / xresources / etc.
> > * libxfsettings provides functions for reading and writing configuration
> > files as well as notification
> >
> > Modules
> > * many modules can use window manager hints: pagers, taskbars, icon boxes,
> > sound module.
> > * panel can communicate through xclient messages ("_XFWM_SHUTDOWN",
> > "_XFWM_RESTART", ...)
> >
> > Convenience library (libxfce-common)
> > * executing commands (through g_spawn_* I think)
> > * file open/save dialog
> > * other dialogs ?
> > * image handling. Since GTK2 uses gdk-pixbuf already for it's icons, it
> > would make sense to use it exclusively,
> >    but there may be problems connected to it (I remember Alan saying
> > something about that).
> >
> > Panel
> > * how about making the buttons either a 'normal button' or an applet
> > (through gtk_plug perhaps), so that you can
> >    choose between running a command or a number of plugins: clock,
> > calendar, mailcheck, trashcan, etc. CDE
> >    has something like this, doesn't it?
> >
> > These are just some thoughts I had. This is as always without being
> > hindered by any real knowledge on the subject ;-)
> >
> > For examples of working with the window manager hints we could look at
> > metacity (window manager based on GTK2) - this also uses glib mainloop
> > functionality that might be interesting - and libwnck from GNOME.
> >
> > Does this make sense at all?
> >
> >          Jasper
> >
> > At 08:52 AM 3/22/02, you wrote:
> > >I would really like to help as much as I can. I don't think I'm qualified
> > >to say much about real design issues, but I sure like to comment on other
> > >people's ideas ;-)
> > >
> > >I'll be away next week (skiing in France), so I won't be able to
> > >communicate with you then. The ports to GTK2 of some of the utilities are
> > >working for me, but they are still based on the old configuration files
> > >and mechanisms.
> > >
> > >         Jasper
> > >
> > >
> > >At 06:08 PM 3/21/02, you wrote:
> > >>Hi all,
> > >>
> > >>Well, the title says it all... Let me know.
> > >>
> > >>Cheers,
> > >>--
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