[Thunar-dev] Help needed? -> next steps

Thu Jun 2 01:59:51 CEST 2005

Well, guys, I'm a Science Computer stundent in Brazil and I'm really 
interested in help developing Thunar, I have some C experience, and already 
started a File Manager on my own with wxWidgets. Then I found Thunar and got 
really interested in it since I like Xfce a lot. So I abandoned my project 
in favor of Thunar, but my fileman was completely GUI oriented programming 
and so I don't really have any ideas on how to do it, as you guys said, 
independent on the GUI. And that's why, IMHO, that Thunar haven't got many 
*real* development activity. I guess there are a lot more people just like 
me, even on this list, who would like to help but have no experience with 
this kind of project, and needed some help just on how to start it.

Sorry for my english, and for my inexperience.

2005/6/1, Brian J. Tarricone <bjt23 at cornell.edu>:
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> Benedikt Meurer wrote:
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> > Brian J. Tarricone wrote:
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> >> Benedikt: Ok, it's time. We've been very patient. You
> >> disappeared for two months, without any information as to your
> >> position or your intentions. I understand that sometimes we get
> >> burned out on things (in fact, I'm an expert at getting burned
> >> out on things), but, to be blunt, you've been very rude in not
> >> letting us know your plans. As Auke so simply put it: "please
> >> explain now."
> >
> > My feeling was (and still is) that the latest happenings on
> > thunar-dev were/are no longer in-line with the initial goals: More
> > and more features were requested...
> 
> Fine. You were running the project, so put your foot down and draw
> the line. I shouldn't need to tell you this: you're already a more
> than competent project leader. Personally, I thought we were at a
> pretty good stage, at least with the UI (in that it was mostly settled).
> 
> > ... nobody seemed to have any interested in development...
> 
> It's hard to get people interested without code. It sucks, but that's
> generally how it is in the OSS world, and it's usually the project
> leader that has to do some initial work. I see that you've been
> committing to libexo during the past week, and it now has ExoMimeInfo
> and ExoMimeDatabase. This is good, but I think if real concrete work
> had started earlier, and had been more public, people would be more
> interested in development. At the very least, we (or you) could have
> clearly defined some of the interfaces, and asked people to implement
> them.
> 
> > ... instead names were discussed extensively...
> 
> It was a topic. Maybe it went on a bit too long, but it happens. If
> you want the discussion to go in a particular direction, you have to
> push it that way. Complaining about it in your head isn't going to
> get you anywhere.
> 
> > ... or sentences like "let's start by translating Python to C" came
> > up, etc.; all this is not in-line with Thunar's goals.
> 
> All I recall on this was someone offering to take the python mockup
> and "translate" it to a C implementation. Not really the right way to
> start the project, IMO, but it was someone who was interested in doing
> some work, exactly what you say was lacking. What this guy needed was
> to be pushed in the right direction, not to be ignored for not
> "getting it".
> 
> > Somehow Thunar was hyped too much already. People who know me are
> > aware that I don't give a damn for hypes. Hypes are for the masses.
> > I prefer quality.
> 
> Agree. But right now we don't even have quality: we have vapor, and
> an uncommunicative project leader.
> 
> > Since nobody knows what Xfce's goals are exactly (and no,
> > lightweight is not really a useful goal here, as it's more of a
> > result of good design, and thereby the result of reaching a goal,
> > rather than a goal of it's own), it's hard to tell whether Xfce's
> > goals are in-line with Thunar's goals (one of the things about
> > Xfce, that are very frustating for me).
> 
> My "goals" are similar to Olivier's. I want to work on things that I
> personally find interesting and enjoy. I don't care about taking over
> the world, I don't care about "productising" Xfce, and I don't have
> to: this is my hobby, not my job. As you mentioned, you have a real
> life. Well, I do too, and I'm not going to waste my spare time on
> things I don't enjoy.
> 
> > So, Thunar's goals are clear. If Xfce's goals don't fit, we'll have
> > two different projects, as I won't spend any spare time on just
> > another file manager.
> 
> Fair enough. I personally think Thunar's goals are admirable and
> worth trying to achieve. I don't like forks unless there's a good
> reason, but I still haven't heard anything that makes me believe that
> dicking around waiting for Thunar is a great idea.
> 
> > PS: I dunno about you, but I for myself have a real-life, that
> > sometimes requires me to spend one or two months on a project, with
> > little to no spare time (atleast no spare time to waste for
> > endless debates).
> 
> That's a pretty weak excuse. If you honestly can't find 5 minutes out
> of one day in two months to send off a short email saying "Hi, sorry I
> haven't been around, but I've been busy with XYZ and I probably won't
> have time for Xfce for another N months, and I'm thinking I may want
> to take a break anyway", then you have some huge problems, dude. We
> all have lives too, but just because we're at the other end of an
> email address or IRC channel, instead of sitting across a table at a
> restaurant, it doesn't mean it's not inconsiderate to just drop out of
> existence when people depend on you.
> 
> -brian
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Abraços,
Rodrigo
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