[Thunar-dev] Spatial or not-spatial?
jasper at xfce.org
Mon Feb 28 19:12:42 CET 2005
Auke Kok wrote:
> Jasper Huijsmans wrote:
>> Benedikt Meurer wrote:
>>> I have talked to quite a few people about the spatial or not-spatial
>>> question recently, and I came to the conclusion, that atleast Thunar
>>> 1.0 should implement the browser-like paradigm.
>> Hehe. At FOSDEM Auke just held a very good speech (almost passionate
>> ;-) about why we should use spatial. What were your reasons to change
>> your mind?
> I have to adjust my POV and clear something about this: I had very badly
> prepared my speech and not spent time to do the proper literature work
> required for a half-decent speech. Brian correctly pointed this out ;^).
Oh, come on. You did great ;)
> Hoever, Benny definately has got a good formula (needs maybe one or two
> things to make it really usable, but the concept is good) with the
> mockup he presented us. It reminds me strongly of the gtk file-chooser,
> and that is IMO a good thing (as I also stated in the talk).
I agree. Like I said during the discussion, it is exactly how I use Rox
currently. Alexander's comment was that it a navigational interface
needs a way to tell the user where they are. So, a location bar (not
nice), a tree (doesn't really fit the design) or perhaps something like
the path buttons in the gtk file chooser.
> This brings us back to the 'spatial' or 'non-spatial' dilemma. I hope I
> was clear in my dev-room meeting that something purely spatial will not
> fit our needs... however, and this is a point that Benny missed by being
> gloriously absent, an Xfce wrapped with a file manager may very well be
> not what every seasoned user want, and the modular setup of Xfce will
> provide him with alternative ways to play with his files.
That was a very interesting point you made and maybe we can try a
facilitate that by separating viewer (the GUI) and the file operations
(library, daemon?). Ah, like you say in the next part ;-)
> perhaps this is a good time to iterate that the file manager itself
> should only be -one- gui. There will be many in the future if we do
> things right, like the desktop (being the secondmost important GUI to
> the file manager), and possibly even the start menu in the far future.
> The real file manager should perhaps even be a non-gui application or
> library (although a process will undoubtably be a better design for the
> sake of IPC).
> Personally, my opinion doesn't matter. Neiter does the *personal*
> opinion of any developer. It's all about our target audience... and this
> is where all of us have to admit that we're in the dark. Benny's best
> guess is a navigational file manager, one that closely resembles other
> parts of xfce's gui already (gtk file chooser), and thus will most
> likely be a good choice.
Fully agreed. I was really wondering what made benny change his mind. I
see advantages to spatial, especially implementation-wise, but I also
from the start have felt that our users may not appreciate the
restriction it imposes...
> perhaps we should leave spatial to Alexander and his group. I loved his
> comment about him using mc to do real hands-on file management stuff ;^)
Maybe he'll start using Jens' filer now that we showed him the
> enough ... I need more coffee!
Real coffee. Not from a machine... ;-)
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