[Goodies-dev] Calculator panel-plugin

Sat Jan 9 15:58:54 CET 2010

Wow, what a rant! Obviously most of this email is completely off-topic
(please, start your own thread if you have something different to
discuss), so I will just comment on the relevant parts to the
calculator (and dict) discussion.

On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Steve
<davidfrankiedistribution at yahoo.com> wrote:
> the plug in seems to be defunct. [per another user]and anyway I hope your message does not discourage further development of the desperately needed apps and various improvements.

Xfce4-dict is working just fine, and has for a long time. If you have
issues running it, I would suggest you ask in a forum related to your
distribution.

Also why the remark about any discouragement from developing the calc
app? From what I have read, everyone _encouraged_ such an application.

> My intention was to simply express interest in it. Unfortunately, I seem to read the words "Already Exists" as no one cares and "Don't Bother" contributing to the community.

I think you need to read those emails again.

> the auto install I mean is about it being attached like a dependancy or similar whereby you cannot get the 4.6.0xx ++ installed w/o it being put in there automatically. - The great thing about distro developers is the treat their users like a ghost. This seems to pretty frequent with most developers in my experience. Even the oliver dude that created xfce. A few of them even talk down to you when you ask a question [nuther xfce thingy] as though being in the beginning of the learning curve is a crime.
>
> In any case, I hate that MicroCrap forces preinstalled junk onto peoples drives, but I still think the calc and dict. should be part of the pkg. w/o the need to push more buttons. ~say in v.4.6.2 ?

Ok, this is weird. You _don't_ want unnecessary programs installed,
but you are very certain that calc and dict are necessary programs.
Well, they are not, since one can easily use Xfce without them. If you
want more comfort in installing Xfce goodies, then that is something
to discuss with your favorite distribution.

Usually people are getting talked down to when are not making much
sense. If you want to have a quality discussion, you need to take the
time to properly prepare and express your argument. Otherwise it is
frustrating to follow, and might result in someone using a less nice
tone.

> I will never go back to Windowzz, but after 3 years, I have come to the conclusion that Linux as a whole is destined to remain strictly a hobby distro. People in this community are just stuck in the past and there are no serious marketing efforts esp. in the USA at all. Despite "Best Efforts" by many, developers in Linux & apps are moving at a snails pace & no one on earth is poised minded to shipwreck MicroJunk and turn them into a stepchild. Indeed, many Linux users seem OFFENDED that I suggest we garner our muster and give Hill Billy a bloody nose and run his company into the ground.
>
> I was basically told a few years ago I was NOT allowed to contribute to the XFCE community either. I got alot of shitty remarks. [if I EVER got any]. We need all the help we can get any people need to get off their high horse and do a mike tyson on bill gates ass. ~ a 30 second knockout. To do this, people will need to answer users questions and treat them in a welcome manner. [which all too frequently ain't happening].
>
> We also need to develop Wine. Then integrate it similar to Xandros' layout.
>
> It is really unfortunate it is against the rules to openly discuss new apps. I see it here all the time. Many are not treated this way. I guess it's a lot like being in high school, only "Certain" people are afforded the right to have a car [or not get their windows bashed out in the parking lot] or get treated like they are not intellectually inferior to the so called "in" crowd. Or simply ignored. [sigh] WTF.
>
> Wow, I guess after nearly 3 years, I just had a lot to say.
>
> Ya know, it's a crying shame that many of these linux related things get tons of money at times - hell, even venture capitol, and their idea of marketing and gaining popularity is a paltry giving away cd's and otherwise basically doing nothing to advertise.
>
> Linux is just another great hobby. Obviously I'm the only one who cares.

Comments like that make a decent discussion difficult. Most people on
this list have precious little spare time. If you want to contribute
constructively to Xfce (or any other OSS), then you need to think
about what you can do to help, not just write down in some heavily
metaphor loaded language what you think is wrong. That's simply not
helping.

~David

> --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Enrico Tröger <enrico.troeger at uvena.de> wrote:
>
>> From: Enrico Tröger <enrico.troeger at uvena.de>
>> Subject: Re: [Goodies-dev] Calculator panel-plugin
>> To: goodies-dev at xfce.org
>> Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 11:50 AM
>> On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:13:20 -0600,
>> Steve wrote:
>>
>> >On 07-Jan-10 17:17, Erik Edelmann wrote:
>> >> Hello!
>> >>
>> >> I have for quite some time been longing for a
>> calculator plugin for
>> >> the Xfce panel. So I ended up writting one.
>> It's by no means
>> >> complete yet, but still somewhat useful (at least
>> I find it useful
>> >> myself).  Those interested in having a look
>> at it can find it at
>> >> http://personal.inet.fi/private/erikedelmann/xfce4-calculator-
>> >> plugin-0.1.0.tar.bz2
>> >>
>> >> If there's any interest in it, I'd be happy to see
>> it included in
>> >> the Xfce goodies project.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >I am very interested in it. The 2 things I long for in
>> XFCE4 is a calc
>> >and dict.
>> >
>> >I hope you'll consider making these auto installed plug
>> ins too.
>>
>> Not sure what you mean with 'auto installed plugins',
>> probably you
>> should ask your distro here.
>>
>> Anyway, a dictionary application, including a panel plugin,
>> exists
>> since a few years:
>>
>> http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-dict
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Enrico
>>
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