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p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div>Hello all,<br></div><div><br></div><div>It's been a while on this topic, but we've been on Matrix for nearly 6 months now, and so far those of us there are pretty happy with it. Since that time, we've taken ownership of #xfce-dev:matrix.org, and I've written a bot that publishes release announcements (to #xfce:matrix.org and #xfce-dev:matrix.org) and gitlab activity (to #xfce-commits:matrix.org).<br></div><div><br></div><div>Another thing that's changed (and not for the better) is the announcement that there will no longer be any kind of officially-hosted bridging between Matrix and LiberaChat, so we will be unable to re-enable seamless interop between the two platforms in the future, at least not without maintaining our own bridge, which we don't want to do.<br></div><div><br></div><div>At this point we believe multiple "official" chat venues will be both confusing and an extra burden, so we're going to "shut down" the IRC channels as of 2024-03-31. We'll update the topics soon to announce the impending move. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,<br></div><div>Brian<br></div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Sep 13, 2023, at 22:18, Brian Tarricone wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><div>Ok, we've gained ownership of #xfce-dev:matrix.org. Haven't done anything with it yet, but feel free to join!<br></div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Sep 13, 2023, at 00:03, Olivier Fourdan wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt-qt" style=""><div dir="ltr"><div>Hey!<br></div><div><br></div><div>No objection from either.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers<br></div><div>Olivier<br></div><div><br></div><div class="qt-qt-gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="qt-qt-gmail_attr">On Tue, 12 Sept 2023 at 21:54, <<a href="mailto:andre@andreldm.com">andre@andreldm.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="qt-qt-gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"><div><div>Hi,<br></div><div dir="auto">I've been using The Lounge as bouncer/client for many years, it's been serving me well, I don't exactly want to investe time migrating to something else, however, if other devs want it, I accept it.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,<br></div><div>Andre Miranda<br></div><div><br></div><div>Sep 11, 2023, 21:20 by <a href="mailto:acs82@gmx.de" target="_blank">acs82@gmx.de</a>:<br></div><blockquote style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(147, 163, 184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px;"><div>Hi all,<br></div><div><br></div><div>thank you for bringing this up Brian!<br></div><div><br></div><div>After the libera bridge has been shut
down, I tried to get ZNC + Hexchat to run ... one hour of
configuration trial & error later I gave up and went to bed 😠<br></div><div><br></div><div>Currently I barely have time to
maintain thunar. So currently not much interest in dumping more
time into getting ZNC/IRC to run again. (Knowing that there are
other tools which just work out of the box makes it even more
frustrating)<br></div><div><br></div><div>Another pro argument for Matrix:
Keeping the entrance barrier low will be beneficial for attracting
new contributors.<br></div><div><br></div><div>So a big +1 from my side for moving
#xfce-dev over to Matrix<br></div><p>Cheers, alex(xcons)<br></p><div>Am 10.09.23 um 21:49 schrieb Brian
Tarricone:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hey all,<br></div><div><br></div><div>As most of us have found, the <a href="http://matrix.org" target="_blank">matrix.org</a> bridge between
Matrix and Libera has been shut down due to various bugs and
other issues that the Libera team weren't happy about. And,
apparently, the "plumbed channels" feature (which has not been
shut down) is currently not working at <a href="http://matrix.org" target="_blank">matrix.org</a>.<br></div><div><br></div><div>While I've been using ZNC and IRC directly (with various
annoyances and issues), quite a few of us (Gaël and Alex at
least) had been using the Matrix bridge to get to #xfce-dev
etc. (I've recently set up my own personal Matrix homeserver
and have bridged my user account over to IRC, and I really like
the experience so far, much better than my previous ZNC+Hexchat
experience.)<br></div><div><div><br></div><div>I'd like to propose that we move #xfce-dev over to Matrix, for
the following reasons:<br></div></div><div><br></div><div>* Chat history comes for free and is directly integrated. No
need to run a bouncer or check some web-based bot-generated IRC
chat history every time you connect.<br></div><div>* We get threads, message reactions, longer messages,
attachments, syntax highlighting, etc. Essentially, "modern
chat stuff". I know some people might think this sort of thing
is superfluous and silly, but after spending some time away from
IRC, on platforms like Slack, I find I really do miss these
things (in that they actually make communication easier, not
just that they're "fun" or "cute").<br></div><div>* Matrix an open, federated protocol, so there's minimal
lock-in or risk of a proprietary service screwing us over.
Certainly we're tied to whatever homeserver we pick to host the
channel (presumably <a href="http://matrix.org" target="_blank">matrix.org</a>), but if we really wanted to, we
could even run an <a href="http://xfce.org" target="_blank">xfce.org</a> homeserver (someday, certainly not
today), and then have full control over the channels.<br></div><div><br></div><div>There are certainly downsides:<br></div><div><div><br></div><div>* Anyone without a Matrix account will have to create one, and
join yet another service.<br></div></div><div>* Bots running in our IRC channels will presumably have to be
rewritten or modified to use Matrix APIs.<br></div><div>* Minor wrinkle: #xfce-dev:<a href="http://matrix.org" target="_blank">matrix.org</a> is currently owned by a
community member. They claim they are squatting on the name and
holding it in case one of us wants to do something with it (and
will transfer ownership), but who knows if they're actively
around and would respond to requests.<br></div><div><br></div><div>At this time I'm only proposing moving #xfce-dev, and not
#xfce or #xfce-commits. My reasoning here is that our
development team is currently split communication-wise between
the now-non-bridged channel on Matrix, and the channel on IRC,
so we have a current need to fix the development team's
communication. If we end up liking having #xfce-dev on Matrix,
we can talk about moving the other channels later.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thoughts?<br></div><div><br></div><div> -brian<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><pre>_______________________________________________
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