<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><span>Hi all,</span></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><span><br></span></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><span>Personally, I don't think I'd bother trying to get ZNC or anything else to work.</span></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><span>I'm waiting for an eventual resolution of the issues that caused the Matrix bridge to be disabled, and in the meantime I'm connected when I'm connected and that's that.</span><div><span>So migration to Matrix would obviously suit me, and I agree with Alex that it would probably be better for new contributors too (in addition to the usability arguments Brian made).</span></div></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div>
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Cheers,<br>Gaël
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On Monday, September 11th, 2023 at 7:13 PM, Alex <acs82@gmx.de> wrote:<br><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">thank you for bringing this up Brian!</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">After the libera bridge has been shut
down, I tried to get ZNC + Hexchat to run ... one hour of
configuration trial & error later I gave up and went to bed 😠</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Currently I barely have time to
maintain thunar. So currently not much interest in dumping more
time into getting ZNC/IRC to run again. (Knowing that there are
other tools which just work out of the box makes it even more
frustrating)</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Another pro argument for Matrix:
Keeping the entrance barrier low will be beneficial for attracting
new contributors.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">So a big +1 from my side for moving
#xfce-dev over to Matrix</div>
<p>Cheers, alex(xcons)<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 10.09.23 um 21:49 schrieb Brian
Tarricone:<br>
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<div>As most of us have found, the matrix.org bridge between
Matrix and Libera has been shut down due to various bugs and
other issues that the Libera team weren't happy about. And,
apparently, the "plumbed channels" feature (which has not been
shut down) is currently not working at matrix.org.<br>
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<div>While I've been using ZNC and IRC directly (with various
annoyances and issues), quite a few of us (Gaël and Alex at
least) had been using the Matrix bridge to get to #xfce-dev
etc. (I've recently set up my own personal Matrix homeserver
and have bridged my user account over to IRC, and I really like
the experience so far, much better than my previous ZNC+Hexchat
experience.)<br>
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I'd like to propose that we move #xfce-dev over to Matrix, for
the following reasons:</div>
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<div>* Chat history comes for free and is directly integrated. No
need to run a bouncer or check some web-based bot-generated IRC
chat history every time you connect.<br>
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<div>* We get threads, message reactions, longer messages,
attachments, syntax highlighting, etc. Essentially, "modern
chat stuff". I know some people might think this sort of thing
is superfluous and silly, but after spending some time away from
IRC, on platforms like Slack, I find I really do miss these
things (in that they actually make communication easier, not
just that they're "fun" or "cute").<br>
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<div>* Matrix an open, federated protocol, so there's minimal
lock-in or risk of a proprietary service screwing us over.
Certainly we're tied to whatever homeserver we pick to host the
channel (presumably matrix.org), but if we really wanted to, we
could even run an xfce.org homeserver (someday, certainly not
today), and then have full control over the channels.<br>
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<div>There are certainly downsides:<br>
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* Anyone without a Matrix account will have to create one, and
join yet another service.</div>
<div>* Bots running in our IRC channels will presumably have to be
rewritten or modified to use Matrix APIs.<br>
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<div>* Minor wrinkle: #xfce-dev:matrix.org is currently owned by a
community member. They claim they are squatting on the name and
holding it in case one of us wants to do something with it (and
will transfer ownership), but who knows if they're actively
around and would respond to requests.<br>
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<div>At this time I'm only proposing moving #xfce-dev, and not
#xfce or #xfce-commits. My reasoning here is that our
development team is currently split communication-wise between
the now-non-bridged channel on Matrix, and the channel on IRC,
so we have a current need to fix the development team's
communication. If we end up liking having #xfce-dev on Matrix,
we can talk about moving the other channels later.<br>
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<div>Thoughts?<br>
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<div> -brian<br>
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