<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 at 17:41, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult <<a href="mailto:lkml@metux.net">lkml@metux.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 20.10.22 16:58, Olivier Fourdan wrote:<br>
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> So the will of some corporations like Microsoft counts a lot more to you<br>
> than the user's will ?<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Who writes or publishes the application is irrelevant.<br>
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It becomes relevant as soon as the user has no chance to get it fixed.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Then they can choose another application, preferably an open source one that they can modify and fix to their needs. There is always the choice. </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">> And users should not have the freedom to get a consistent UI ?<br>
> <br>
> I am saying that if there is a bug in an application, the application <br>
> should be fixed, <br>
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Right, it *should*. But that just won't happen.<br>
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But as it sounds that you're in possession of the wisdom how to fix<br>
those rogue applications, please share it with us.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I do not know what makes you think this.</div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">> rather than adding tons of code in the WM to work <br>
> around whatever applications do.<br>
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Tons of code ?! It's two lines of actual code, one if(...) and one<br>
FLAG_SET(..), plus 2 just for the code nice formatting.<br>
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Did you ever *actually* *read* my patch ?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I happen to have, yes.</div><div><br></div><div>It's a patch within a 11 commit merge request, so yeah, it is a lot of code!</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">> And you don't like users being able to move around windows of hanging<br>
> applications easily ?<br>
> <br>
> /me shrugs and moves on.<br>
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Indeed an actual real world problem. Formerly just a typical MS-Windows<br>
only problem (since X window managers aren't blocked by misbehaving<br>
clients) - with CSD this class of problems was now introduced into the<br>
Unix / X11 world.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Oh, so your rant is actually about client side decorations? </div><div><br></div><div>I'm afraid you're barking after the wrong tree here, CSD is there already and it's not going to go away regardless of whatever xfce does.</div><div><br></div><div>Really, discussions about CSD are a dead end here.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div>Olivier</div></div></div>