<div dir="ltr">HI Kevin,<div><br></div><div>Would discourage the use of platforms that charge platform fees like gofundme, indiegogo, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>If Xfce ever is set up as a non-profit, <a href="http://donorbox.org">donorbox.org</a> would be a good choice to look at.</div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Regards,</div><div>Yousuf<br></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 4:57 AM Kevin Bowen <<a href="mailto:kevin.bowen@gmail.com">kevin.bowen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Thanks for the input Bruno. <br>
</p>
<p>I think part of what you wrote neatly summarizes my
concerns/criteria in finding a suitable alternative to
bountysource. I definitely do not wish to place an undue
administrative burden on the devs by using an org that requires
providing tax papers(e.g. 1099s) upfront. Especially since many of
these folks are located outside of the U.S. So, they have already
been disqualified, in my opinion. The GitHub Sponsors program
would be one of those, for example (among other reasons for not
wanting to use them ;-)). Many of the programs that I have been
looking use PayPal, or Stripe as a backend for fiscal
disbursement. That is pretty common denominator with many of the
candidates.<br>
</p>
<p>I think Andre, in a separate mail, has addressed some of your
other points.</p>
<p>And just for the sake of clarity/transparency. Here is the list,
in no particular order of importance, of the organizations that I
have been researching besides <a href="http://opencollective.com" target="_blank">opencollective.com</a>:</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Patreon Developer <a href="https://www.patreon.com/developers" target="_blank">https://www.patreon.com/developers</a><br>
GoFundMe<br>
liberapay <a href="https://liberapay.com/" target="_blank">https://liberapay.com/</a><br>
paypal<br>
coil <a href="https://coil.com/discover" target="_blank">https://coil.com/discover</a><br>
indieagogo<br>
<a href="http://snowdrift.coop" target="_blank">snowdrift.coop</a><br>
Software in the Public Interest (SPI) <a href="https://www.spi-inc.org/" target="_blank">https://www.spi-inc.org/</a><br>
Software Freedom Conservancy
<a href="https://sfconservancy.org/projects/apply/" target="_blank">https://sfconservancy.org/projects/apply/</a><br>
<a href="https://www.oss.fund/" target="_blank">https://www.oss.fund/</a><br>
</p>
<p>Thanks again,</p>
<p>Kevin<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div>On 4/20/21 9:58 AM, Bruno Schmidt
wrote:<br>
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<font size="+1">Greetings to y'all!<br>
<br>
Fwiw: if your objective is to withdraw from bountysource (@ <a href="https://www.bountysource.com/teams/xfce" target="_blank">https://www.bountysource.com/teams/xfce</a>
) then the link to that service should be removed from xfce's
page ( @ <a href="https://www.xfce.org/getinvolved" target="_blank">https://www.xfce.org/getinvolved</a>
) sooner than later. As you can see, donations are still flowing
in, thus donors will have to be contacted to redirect their
payment directives -- not an easy task, for sure...<br>
<br>
I have looked at <a href="http://kde.org" target="_blank">kde.org</a>, ubuntu-mate, mate-desktop, linux mint,
opencollective, patreon, and other paywalls, and would humbly
suggest to develop a PayPal-based solution. For the simple
reason that it their API works well and can be used
internationally. However, there's a rub: if the person/entity
that manages (read: admin & bank accounts) the PayPal
account is a US-"taxpayer" (has an SSN or applied for/uses an
EIN), then the flow of donations becomes subject to US tax-laws
per se, and possibly tax liabilities, and perhaps additional
information-report filing requirements (ie f1099) on US
recipients of donated funds.<br>
<br>
On the up-side, Incorporating a non-profit corp / trustÂ
/foundation here in one of the US states is relatively simple
and cheap, but does require a "registered agent" (for legal
process) in the state of incorporation, ie Nevada or Washington.
<br>
<br>
Just some constructive thoughts. Cheers, BW<br>
<br>
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<div>On 4/19/21 5:31 PM, <a href="mailto:kevin.bowen@gmail.com" target="_blank">kevin.bowen@gmail.com</a>
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<p>That was definitely not the case. But thank you.<br>
</p>
<div>On 4/18/21 6:23 PM, Yousuf Philips
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">After we got rejected, I had reached out to the
person handling social media for Endeavor and he found it
strange that Xfce would be rejected and said "If he [Kevin]
wanted to join the team, then I understand the rejection.
This is only reserved for the founders and our fiscal host.
If he has an Open Collective account he should be joining
it. By it, I mean the collective."
<div><br clear="all">
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Yousuf<br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at
7:15 AM Kevin Bowen <<a href="mailto:kevin.bowen@gmail.com" target="_blank">kevin.bowen@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">It appears that Open
Collective has admitted an error and reversed their <br>
decision for not allowing Xfce to join one of their
communities/fiscal <br>
hosts. *shrug* I'll pick this up again next week.<br>
<br>
Kevin<br>
<br>
On 4/15/21 1:41 PM, Kevin Bowen wrote:<br>
> Update:<br>
><br>
> Open Collective is quickly being moved off of the
table as a viable <br>
> fiscal host for the Xfce project.<br>
><br>
> I had applied to join one of there collective, and
was rejected <br>
> because Xfce did not meet their criteria.<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://www.oscollective.org/#criteria" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.oscollective.org/#criteria</a><br>
><br>
> I can only guess that Xfce is not popular, or open
source enough for <br>
> them. Perhaps we don't have enough GitHub stars on
our repositories. <br>
> :-/ I don't really know as they have not responded to
my specific <br>
> questions.<br>
><br>
> I am still sort of engaged with them; but, this
reception may be a <br>
> good indicator that we may not want to deal with
them. We shall see.<br>
><br>
> Kevin<br>
><br>
> On 4/13/21 9:22 PM, Kevin Bowen wrote:<br>
>> Hello all,<br>
>><br>
>> The Xfce project is currently in the process of
looking to engage <br>
>> with a new<br>
>> organization to help us manage our collective
funds as well as allow <br>
>> us to<br>
>> solicit donations and encourage fundraising
efforts directed to end <br>
>> users who<br>
>> would like to support Xfce financially.<br>
>><br>
>> Back in June 2020, Simon had elaborated <br>
>> [here](<a href="https://simon.shimmerproject.org/2020/06/18/why-bountysource-why/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://simon.shimmerproject.org/2020/06/18/why-bountysource-why/</a>)<br>
>> as well as <br>
>> [here](<a href="https://simon.shimmerproject.org/2020/06/26/bountysource-update/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://simon.shimmerproject.org/2020/06/26/bountysource-update/</a>)<br>
>> on some of the issues encountered with
Bountysource and that Xfce <br>
>> has, subsequently,<br>
>> disabled its bug bounties and is looking to
separate from its <br>
>> association with<br>
>> Bountysource.<br>
>><br>
>> As of this month, the Xfce team is considering
signing up with <br>
>> [opencollective](<a href="https://opencollective.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://opencollective.com/</a>)
to assist us in <br>
>> managing donations and financial contributions.<br>
>><br>
>> There are a few other options/orgs that are still
being considered; <br>
>> but, opencollective is looking like a contender
for where we will be <br>
>> moving towards to manage collecting funds.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Hopefully, we can announce, in a few weeks, that
we are open for <br>
>> business; and,<br>
>> a few new donation buttons can be put up on our
pages. Perhaps we can <br>
>> even do a PR push to do a fundraiser. I am open
to suggestions on <br>
>> how, exactly, to pursue this.<br>
>><br>
>> That being said, I would like to open this up to
the general dev <br>
>> mailing list for discussion and feedback for at
least two weeks <br>
>> before we make a final decision. As of today, the
decision to go with <br>
>> opencollective is not yet final.<br>
>><br>
>> Any constructive feedback is welcome.
Additionally, we are open to <br>
>> considering other sites/orgs for handling our
donations.<br>
>><br>
>> Thank you,<br>
>><br>
>> kevin<br>
>><br>
>><br>
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