<div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">Hi, <br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">I am not very involved in the project, and I just has some small contributions to Thunar GTK 3 earlier this year. I hope to contribute to this discussion with a beginner view on the matter.</div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">I has a look at the demo (<a href="https://gitea.xfce.alteroot.org/xfce">https://gitea.xfce.alteroot.org/xfce</a>) and I think it really looks great! The interface is really similar to github, so I am already familiar with it, and I can start immediately to contribute. Moving to git is a good idea since many people are familiar with it nowadays. I think we should really focus to make contribution easy.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The only kind of issue is that issues (pun intended) are on a different system, but it isn't so much trouble.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Bonus point: gitea seems to follow the same phylosophy of lightweight and usable as xfce!</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Cheers,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Francesco<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 9 October 2017 at 16:49, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:xfce4-dev-request@xfce.org" target="_blank">xfce4-dev-request@xfce.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Send Xfce4-dev mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: Infrastructure Upgrades/Changes: Git(ea) (Simon Steinbeiss)<br>
2. Re: Infrastructure Upgrades/Changes: Git(ea) (Matthew Brush)<br>
3. Re: Infrastructure Upgrades/Changes: Git(ea) (Pasi Lallinaho)<br>
4. Re: Infrastructure Upgrades/Changes: Git(ea) (Simon Steinbeiss)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 10:30:05 +0000<br>
From: Simon Steinbeiss <<a href="mailto:simon@xfce.org">simon@xfce.org</a>><br>
To: Xfce development list <<a href="mailto:xfce4-dev@xfce.org">xfce4-dev@xfce.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: Infrastructure Upgrades/Changes: Git(ea)<br>
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Hi,<br>
<br>
while it's nice to see so many people contribute to this discussion let's<br>
stay on topic. For the time being we're discussing whether to set up Gitea,<br>
not Gitlab or to use Github.<br>
<br>
Gitlab has very different resource needs than Gitea so we'd have to find<br>
different hosting/sponsoring beforehands.<br>
<br>
What I proposed is a brief setup/migration phase to avoid endless<br>
discussions, but keep our eyes on the price (which is 4.14).<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
Simon<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Am Mo., 9. Okt. 2017, 11:42 schrieb Matthew Brush <<a href="mailto:mbrush@codebrainz.ca">mbrush@codebrainz.ca</a>>:<br>
<br>
> On 2017-10-09 02:01 AM, Isabell Liefer wrote:<br>
> > Hi! I would like to suggest to move to a selfhosted GitLab instance and<br>
> to also mirror the repo on GitHub for a wider audience. What that be<br>
> convenient for you both?<br>
> ><br>
><br>
> There appears to already be a Github mirror, but it sort of misses the<br>
> mark if it's not used as the development platform.<br>
><br>
> To restate it again, I'd be very happy with a new self-hosted<br>
> Gitlab/Gitea/whatever, I'm just playing devil's advocate because I think<br>
> Github makes a lot of sense for a project like Xfce, except for ethical<br>
> (or whatever you call it) reasons. In terms of improving visibility,<br>
> ease of administration, and making it easier for (new) people to<br>
> contribute, Github (currently) wins hands-down, IMO.<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
> Matthew Brush<br>
><br>
> > Kind Regards<br>
> ><br>
> > Am 09.10.2017 um 04:17 schrieb Matthew Brush:<br>
> >> On 2017-10-08 06:51 PM, André Miranda wrote:<br>
> >>> GitHub is awesome, I really enjoy using it, but being proprietary is a<br>
> >>> no-go for a FLOSS project such as Xfce,<br>
> >><br>
> >> Github releases lots of their code as open source, but you can't<br>
> >> "install their whole business" locally, no.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Loads of FLOSS projects are completely fine, and rather thrive on<br>
> >> Github. Unlimited free hosting for open source projects with lots of<br>
> >> useful features, IMO, is rather nice.<br>
> >><br>
> >> To be clear, I'm not advocating for Xfce switching to Github, I'm just<br>
> >> pointing out that it's purely a political/ethical/emotional decision<br>
> >> rather than a technical/user-centric one. Personally I lean towards<br>
> >> pragmatism rather than having a strong political stance, but I can<br>
> >> appreciate that some people are more passionate about this than I am.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Regards,<br>
> >> Matthew Brush<br>
> >> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
> >> Xfce4-dev mailing list<br>
> >> <a href="mailto:Xfce4-dev@xfce.org">Xfce4-dev@xfce.org</a><br>
> >> <a href="https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/xfce4-dev</a><br>
> > ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
> > Xfce4-dev mailing list<br>
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2017 04:21:07 -0700<br>
From: Matthew Brush <<a href="mailto:mbrush@codebrainz.ca">mbrush@codebrainz.ca</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:xfce4-dev@xfce.org">xfce4-dev@xfce.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: Infrastructure Upgrades/Changes: Git(ea)<br>
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On 2017-10-09 03:30 AM, Simon Steinbeiss wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> while it's nice to see so many people contribute to this discussion let's<br>
> stay on topic. For the time being we're discussing whether to set up Gitea,<br>
> not Gitlab or to use Github.<br>
><br>
<br>
Well you did link to:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://wiki.xfce.org/infra/nextgen" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.xfce.org/infra/<wbr>nextgen</a><br>
<br>
Which appears to show the options being considered. It seems/seemed<br>
totally on-topic for people on the mailing list to participate in the<br>
discussion, otherwise you could have just said:<br>
<br>
"We're considering switching to Gitea and nothing else, yeah or nay?"<br>
<br>
Anyway, sorry for responding to the people who replied to my message and<br>
this :)<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Matthew Brush<br>
<br>
> Gitlab has very different resource needs than Gitea so we'd have to find<br>
> different hosting/sponsoring beforehands.<br>
><br>
> What I proposed is a brief setup/migration phase to avoid endless<br>
> discussions, but keep our eyes on the price (which is 4.14).<br>
><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
> Cheers<br>
> Simon<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Am Mo., 9. Okt. 2017, 11:42 schrieb Matthew Brush <<a href="mailto:mbrush@codebrainz.ca">mbrush@codebrainz.ca</a>>:<br>
><br>
>> On 2017-10-09 02:01 AM, Isabell Liefer wrote:<br>
>>> Hi! I would like to suggest to move to a selfhosted GitLab instance and<br>
>> to also mirror the repo on GitHub for a wider audience. What that be<br>
>> convenient for you both?<br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>> There appears to already be a Github mirror, but it sort of misses the<br>
>> mark if it's not used as the development platform.<br>
>><br>
>> To restate it again, I'd be very happy with a new self-hosted<br>
>> Gitlab/Gitea/whatever, I'm just playing devil's advocate because I think<br>
>> Github makes a lot of sense for a project like Xfce, except for ethical<br>
>> (or whatever you call it) reasons. In terms of improving visibility,<br>
>> ease of administration, and making it easier for (new) people to<br>
>> contribute, Github (currently) wins hands-down, IMO.<br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>> Matthew Brush<br>
>><br>
>>> Kind Regards<br>
>>><br>
>>> Am 09.10.2017 um 04:17 schrieb Matthew Brush:<br>
>>>> On 2017-10-08 06:51 PM, André Miranda wrote:<br>
>>>>> GitHub is awesome, I really enjoy using it, but being proprietary is a<br>
>>>>> no-go for a FLOSS project such as Xfce,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Github releases lots of their code as open source, but you can't<br>
>>>> "install their whole business" locally, no.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Loads of FLOSS projects are completely fine, and rather thrive on<br>
>>>> Github. Unlimited free hosting for open source projects with lots of<br>
>>>> useful features, IMO, is rather nice.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> To be clear, I'm not advocating for Xfce switching to Github, I'm just<br>
>>>> pointing out that it's purely a political/ethical/emotional decision<br>
>>>> rather than a technical/user-centric one. Personally I lean towards<br>
>>>> pragmatism rather than having a strong political stance, but I can<br>
>>>> appreciate that some people are more passionate about this than I am.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Regards,<br>
>>>> Matthew Brush<br>
>>>> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
>>>> Xfce4-dev mailing list<br>
>>>> <a href="mailto:Xfce4-dev@xfce.org">Xfce4-dev@xfce.org</a><br>
>>>> <a href="https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/xfce4-dev</a><br>
>>> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
>>> Xfce4-dev mailing list<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:Xfce4-dev@xfce.org">Xfce4-dev@xfce.org</a><br>
>>> <a href="https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/xfce4-dev</a><br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
>> Xfce4-dev mailing list<br>
>> <a href="mailto:Xfce4-dev@xfce.org">Xfce4-dev@xfce.org</a><br>
>> <a href="https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/xfce4-dev</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
> Xfce4-dev mailing list<br>
> <a href="mailto:Xfce4-dev@xfce.org">Xfce4-dev@xfce.org</a><br>
> <a href="https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/xfce4-dev</a><br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2017 14:52:56 +0300<br>
From: Pasi Lallinaho <<a href="mailto:pasi@shimmerproject.org">pasi@shimmerproject.org</a>><br>
To: Xfce development list <<a href="mailto:xfce4-dev@xfce.org">xfce4-dev@xfce.org</a>>, Matthew Brush<br>
<<a href="mailto:mbrush@codebrainz.ca">mbrush@codebrainz.ca</a>><br>
Subject: Re: Infrastructure Upgrades/Changes: Git(ea)<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:0917fdfa-7581-2eec-eb77-e2520b142e70@shimmerproject.org">0917fdfa-7581-2eec-eb77-<wbr>e2520b142e70@shimmerproject.<wbr>org</a>><br>
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Just to clarify, this is what everybody could read on the first mail on<br>
this thread:<br>
<br>
On 08.10.2017 01:21, Simon Steinbeiss wrote:<br>
> The current proposal for phase 1 would be the following:<br>
> 1) Replace cgit/gitolite with Gitea (for browsing and administering<br>
> Git repos)<br>
> 2) Keep Bugzilla and Dokuwiki for their purposes (you can see the<br>
> integration in the instance Skunnyk set up)<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Pasi<br>
<br>
On 09.10.2017 14:21, Matthew Brush wrote:<br>
> On 2017-10-09 03:30 AM, Simon Steinbeiss wrote:<br>
>> Hi,<br>
>><br>
>> while it's nice to see so many people contribute to this discussion<br>
>> let's<br>
>> stay on topic. For the time being we're discussing whether to set up<br>
>> Gitea,<br>
>> not Gitlab or to use Github.<br>
>><br>
><br>
> Well you did link to:<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://wiki.xfce.org/infra/nextgen" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.xfce.org/infra/<wbr>nextgen</a><br>
><br>
> Which appears to show the options being considered. It seems/seemed<br>
> totally on-topic for people on the mailing list to participate in the<br>
> discussion, otherwise you could have just said:<br>
><br>
> "We're considering switching to Gitea and nothing else, yeah or nay?"<br>
><br>
> Anyway, sorry for responding to the people who replied to my message<br>
> and this :)<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
> Matthew Brush<br>
><br>
>> Gitlab has very different resource needs than Gitea so we'd have to find<br>
>> different hosting/sponsoring beforehands.<br>
>><br>
>> What I proposed is a brief setup/migration phase to avoid endless<br>
>> discussions, but keep our eyes on the price (which is 4.14).<br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>> Cheers<br>
>> Simon<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Am Mo., 9. Okt. 2017, 11:42 schrieb Matthew Brush<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:mbrush@codebrainz.ca">mbrush@codebrainz.ca</a>>:<br>
>><br>
>>> On 2017-10-09 02:01 AM, Isabell Liefer wrote:<br>
>>>> Hi! I would like to suggest to move to a selfhosted GitLab instance<br>
>>>> and<br>
>>> to also mirror the repo on GitHub for a wider audience. What that be<br>
>>> convenient for you both?<br>
>>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> There appears to already be a Github mirror, but it sort of misses the<br>
>>> mark if it's not used as the development platform.<br>
>>><br>
>>> To restate it again, I'd be very happy with a new self-hosted<br>
>>> Gitlab/Gitea/whatever, I'm just playing devil's advocate because I<br>
>>> think<br>
>>> Github makes a lot of sense for a project like Xfce, except for ethical<br>
>>> (or whatever you call it) reasons. In terms of improving visibility,<br>
>>> ease of administration, and making it easier for (new) people to<br>
>>> contribute, Github (currently) wins hands-down, IMO.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Regards,<br>
>>> Matthew Brush<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Kind Regards<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Am 09.10.2017 um 04:17 schrieb Matthew Brush:<br>
>>>>> On 2017-10-08 06:51 PM, André Miranda wrote:<br>
>>>>>> GitHub is awesome, I really enjoy using it, but being proprietary<br>
>>>>>> is a<br>
>>>>>> no-go for a FLOSS project such as Xfce,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Github releases lots of their code as open source, but you can't<br>
>>>>> "install their whole business" locally, no.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Loads of FLOSS projects are completely fine, and rather thrive on<br>
>>>>> Github. Unlimited free hosting for open source projects with lots of<br>
>>>>> useful features, IMO, is rather nice.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> To be clear, I'm not advocating for Xfce switching to Github, I'm<br>
>>>>> just<br>
>>>>> pointing out that it's purely a political/ethical/emotional decision<br>
>>>>> rather than a technical/user-centric one. Personally I lean towards<br>
>>>>> pragmatism rather than having a strong political stance, but I can<br>
>>>>> appreciate that some people are more passionate about this than I am.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Regards,<br>
>>>>> Matthew Brush<br>
>>>>> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
>>>>> Xfce4-dev mailing list<br>
>>>>> <a href="mailto:Xfce4-dev@xfce.org">Xfce4-dev@xfce.org</a><br>
>>>>> <a href="https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/xfce4-dev</a><br>
>>>> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
>>>> Xfce4-dev mailing list<br>
>>>> <a href="mailto:Xfce4-dev@xfce.org">Xfce4-dev@xfce.org</a><br>
>>>> <a href="https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/xfce4-dev</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
>>> Xfce4-dev mailing list<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:Xfce4-dev@xfce.org">Xfce4-dev@xfce.org</a><br>
>>> <a href="https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/xfce4-dev</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
>> Xfce4-dev mailing list<br>
>> <a href="mailto:Xfce4-dev@xfce.org">Xfce4-dev@xfce.org</a><br>
>> <a href="https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/xfce4-dev</a><br>
>><br>
><br>
> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
> Xfce4-dev mailing list<br>
> <a href="mailto:Xfce4-dev@xfce.org">Xfce4-dev@xfce.org</a><br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 14:49:00 +0000<br>
From: Simon Steinbeiss <<a href="mailto:simon@xfce.org">simon@xfce.org</a>><br>
To: Xfce development list <<a href="mailto:xfce4-dev@xfce.org">xfce4-dev@xfce.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: Infrastructure Upgrades/Changes: Git(ea)<br>
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Hi Matthew,<br>
<br>
I specifically wrote in my first E-Mail:<br>
…<br>
"In order not to get stuck in endless discussions (which could be dragged<br>
out by the fact that people have lives and can't always participate in the<br>
discussions) I would like to propose that we try to move ahead with a<br>
switch to Gitea."<br>
<br>
I also mentioned self-hosting as a hard requirement, so Github simply is<br>
not an option anymore (even if it was initially mentioned on the planning<br>
page, which I linked for transparency-reasons).<br>
<br>
Again - and without irony! - it's nice if you participate in the discussion<br>
in a lively way, but please focus on the proposal at hand. If you want to<br>
help us with the migration, with testing out Gitea or with finding missing<br>
pieces e.g. here: <a href="https://wiki.xfce.org/infra/nextgen#proof_of_concept" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.xfce.org/infra/<wbr>nextgen#proof_of_concept</a> then<br>
please let us know! Also if you have previous experiences with Gitea and<br>
think it's good/bad/proven-in-use etc that would also be very well-received!<br>
We're not 100% sold on Gitea, but the benefits are that we can quite<br>
instantly start working with it.<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
Simon<br>
<br>
<br>
On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 1:53 PM Pasi Lallinaho <<a href="mailto:pasi@shimmerproject.org">pasi@shimmerproject.org</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
<br>
> Just to clarify, this is what everybody could read on the first mail on<br>
> this thread:<br>
><br>
> On 08.10.2017 01:21, Simon Steinbeiss wrote:<br>
> > The current proposal for phase 1 would be the following:<br>
> > 1) Replace cgit/gitolite with Gitea (for browsing and administering<br>
> > Git repos)<br>
> > 2) Keep Bugzilla and Dokuwiki for their purposes (you can see the<br>
> > integration in the instance Skunnyk set up)<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Pasi<br>
><br>
> On 09.10.2017 14:21, Matthew Brush wrote:<br>
> > On 2017-10-09 03:30 AM, Simon Steinbeiss wrote:<br>
> >> Hi,<br>
> >><br>
> >> while it's nice to see so many people contribute to this discussion<br>
> >> let's<br>
> >> stay on topic. For the time being we're discussing whether to set up<br>
> >> Gitea,<br>
> >> not Gitlab or to use Github.<br>
> >><br>
> ><br>
> > Well you did link to:<br>
> ><br>
> > <a href="https://wiki.xfce.org/infra/nextgen" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.xfce.org/infra/<wbr>nextgen</a><br>
> ><br>
> > Which appears to show the options being considered. It seems/seemed<br>
> > totally on-topic for people on the mailing list to participate in the<br>
> > discussion, otherwise you could have just said:<br>
> ><br>
> > "We're considering switching to Gitea and nothing else, yeah or nay?"<br>
> ><br>
> > Anyway, sorry for responding to the people who replied to my message<br>
> > and this :)<br>
> ><br>
> > Regards,<br>
> > Matthew Brush<br>
> ><br>
> >> Gitlab has very different resource needs than Gitea so we'd have to find<br>
> >> different hosting/sponsoring beforehands.<br>
> >><br>
> >> What I proposed is a brief setup/migration phase to avoid endless<br>
> >> discussions, but keep our eyes on the price (which is 4.14).<br>
> >><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >> Cheers<br>
> >> Simon<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> Am Mo., 9. Okt. 2017, 11:42 schrieb Matthew Brush<br>
> >> <<a href="mailto:mbrush@codebrainz.ca">mbrush@codebrainz.ca</a>>:<br>
> >><br>
> >>> On 2017-10-09 02:01 AM, Isabell Liefer wrote:<br>
> >>>> Hi! I would like to suggest to move to a selfhosted GitLab instance<br>
> >>>> and<br>
> >>> to also mirror the repo on GitHub for a wider audience. What that be<br>
> >>> convenient for you both?<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> There appears to already be a Github mirror, but it sort of misses the<br>
> >>> mark if it's not used as the development platform.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> To restate it again, I'd be very happy with a new self-hosted<br>
> >>> Gitlab/Gitea/whatever, I'm just playing devil's advocate because I<br>
> >>> think<br>
> >>> Github makes a lot of sense for a project like Xfce, except for ethical<br>
> >>> (or whatever you call it) reasons. In terms of improving visibility,<br>
> >>> ease of administration, and making it easier for (new) people to<br>
> >>> contribute, Github (currently) wins hands-down, IMO.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Regards,<br>
> >>> Matthew Brush<br>
> >>><br>
> >>>> Kind Regards<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Am 09.10.2017 um 04:17 schrieb Matthew Brush:<br>
> >>>>> On 2017-10-08 06:51 PM, André Miranda wrote:<br>
> >>>>>> GitHub is awesome, I really enjoy using it, but being proprietary<br>
> >>>>>> is a<br>
> >>>>>> no-go for a FLOSS project such as Xfce,<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Github releases lots of their code as open source, but you can't<br>
> >>>>> "install their whole business" locally, no.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Loads of FLOSS projects are completely fine, and rather thrive on<br>
> >>>>> Github. Unlimited free hosting for open source projects with lots of<br>
> >>>>> useful features, IMO, is rather nice.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> To be clear, I'm not advocating for Xfce switching to Github, I'm<br>
> >>>>> just<br>
> >>>>> pointing out that it's purely a political/ethical/emotional decision<br>
> >>>>> rather than a technical/user-centric one. Personally I lean towards<br>
> >>>>> pragmatism rather than having a strong political stance, but I can<br>
> >>>>> appreciate that some people are more passionate about this than I am.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Regards,<br>
> >>>>> Matthew Brush<br>
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