<div dir="ltr"><div>Hello everybody,</div><div><br></div><div>> Maybe not just Germany, but I'm not aware of any other active convention user</div><div>> group.</div><div><br></div><div>Waving from Vienna, Austria, and making Simon wave too.</div><div><br></div><div>> first of all, as Silvio pointed out, what we are doing helps the users</div><div>> of Xfce. It's quite common that users come to the booth and bring their</div><div>> problems and/or questions with hoping to get some support.</div><div>> These are sometimes also people who don't know communication channels</div><div>> like IRC or mailing lists exist or even doesn't speak English well</div><div>> enough to ask there (or they think they don't).</div><div>> So, there is no direct benefit here but it helps the users which I would</div><div>> consider part of the community.</div><div>> </div><div>> A direct benefit is people sometimes create bug reports after we</div><div>> debugged some problem or we create the bug reports for them in case they</div><div>> don't want or can't do it on their own.</div><div><br></div><div>It might come as a surprise, but I think Xfce does not need more channels for</div><div>bug reporting. The reality is that we have tens of thousands of open bugs. What</div><div>we need is time spent coding. Sadly, many core devs, or experienced devs, don't</div><div>have this time.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>> Even better would be to have the foundation running so we could also</div><div>> accept donations and use that money for such things.</div><div>> Does anyone know how is the status of the foundation?</div><div><br></div><div>Last I heard, it's kaput.</div><div><br></div><div>There is the BountySource money available, to some extent as some of it is tied</div><div>to bugs being fixed or features implemented. I personally had in mind to propose</div><div>the group to hire me as a part-time / full-time dev, since I can't get around to</div><div>contributing after doing full shifts on my current job. If others think this</div><div>idea is useful / would like to come forward to do paid dev work / would like to</div><div>ask their company to sponsor developers, I feel this would be the most beneficial</div><div>thing for Xfce as a whole right now.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 13 October 2016 at 22:10, Simon Steinbeiss <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:simon@xfce.org" target="_blank">simon@xfce.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi everyone,<div><br></div><div>sorry for joining this discussion a little late, but I was on a conference and travelling.</div><div><br></div><div>The foundation was never founded and the "founding documents" so to speak have expired, plus the people originally wanting to form the foundation are gone.</div><div><br></div><div>In its place we have <a href="http://bountysource.com" target="_blank">bountysource.com</a>, through which we can either receive donations as a team - this is money that we can spend on whatever we want - or people can post bounties on bugs specifically.</div><div><br></div><div>Currently our balance is around 3k€. My plan - I have discussed this with some members of the development community over time, but there's no final proposal/decision - was to organise a Hackfest somewhere in Europe (where most of us are based atm).</div><div>However we can also withdraw some money for community initiatives like booths at conferences.</div><div><br></div><div>And finally - this is just my personal opinion - we don't have a tradition of putting anyone's logo on our website. We didn't even do that for bountysource, despite the fact that they donated some money towards us as a team. So I'd be cautious about that, unless we decide this is how we wanna raise money for Xfce (presuming we need it for something).</div><div><br></div><div>Either way, I think it's great if people go to conferences and represent Xfce, it's not like we're super visible compared to other DEs (despite the fact that we have a lot of users, I saw many of them on Linux Embedded these last days). Maybe it'll help to lure in contributors, maybe it'll just be a nice sign of life.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div>Simon</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></font></span><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr">Enrico Tröger <<a href="mailto:enrico@xfce.org" target="_blank">enrico@xfce.org</a>> schrieb am Di., 11. Okt. 2016, 21:00:<br></div></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5">Hi,<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
> Well, sponsoring of a free software project is a sensible matter IMHO,<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
> so I am a bit wary.<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
><br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
> To me, sponsoring xfce would be getting paid to work on xfce core or<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
> contributing financially either for the infrastructure or live events<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
> of xfce developers (like a hackfest).<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
><br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
> I am not sure I am willing to accept a company logo on the website for<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
> limited events that doesn't really benefit the project itself, unless<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
> I am missing something.<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
It has benefits for the project itself:<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
first of all, as Silvio pointed out, what we are doing helps the users<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
of Xfce. It's quite common that users come to the booth and bring their<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
problems and/or questions with hoping to get some support.<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
These are sometimes also people who don't know communication channels<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
like IRC or mailing lists exist or even doesn't speak English well<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
enough to ask there (or they think they don't).<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
So, there is no direct benefit here but it helps the users which I would<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
consider part of the community.<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
A direct benefit is people sometimes create bug reports after we<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
debugged some problem or we create the bug reports for them in case they<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
don't want or can't do it on their own.<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
You asked for some report of the last event (I'm writing this mail in<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
the train on the way back from Prague), some time ago I wrote some kind<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
of report for our work in Germany. IIRC we are running booths for Xfce<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
since 2010 on all of the bigger FOSS events in Germany and since three<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
or four years also in Prague.<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
<a href="https://www.pending.io/presenting-xfce-and-geany-on-conferences/" rel="noreferrer" class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://www.pending.io/<wbr>presenting-xfce-and-geany-on-<wbr>conferences/</a><br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
Until now, almost all of the material we use as well as travelling<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
expenses we paid on our own. This is OK but if we had the chance to get<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
something back, it's at least worth a discussion.<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
I'm also not completely sure yet whether this is a good idea but it<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
could help a lot.<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
Even better would be to have the foundation running so we could also<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
accept donations and use that money for such things.<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
Does anyone know how is the status of the foundation?<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
Regards,<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
Enrico<br class="m_-3558688523061386572gmail_msg">
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