<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,<br><br>My two cents, as someone who is using the latest stable GNOME apps since a while, and has attempted to maintain patches on top of GTK+3 and GNOME 3 for research: we should never put ourselves in a position that makes us depend on GNOME/GTK. Their APIs are not stable. Everything you code must be re-evaluated every six months, and that means at the very least we'd be having our own code break from the moment a GTK/GNOME release is done until we are able to update our code and push it, possibly for months if distros don't anticipate or do SRUs.<br><br></div>I'm in favour of not having a GTK+3 theme in Xfce. I'm also (but that's another debate) in favour of Xfce never being ported to GTK+3 or another toolkit made by GNOME. As for the GTK+2 theme, I believe that Simon is doing an awesome job with Greybird, and I would totally use that as a default theme. More pragmatically, Greybird is one of the very few GTK+3 themes that keep up with the GTK+3 breakages, hence it's likely that our userbase uses that and we're more likely to provide a consistent default for said users than by keeping a non-Adwaita/non-Greybird as a default.<br><br>Cheers,<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 4 February 2015 at 09:03, Simon Steinbeiß <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:simon@xfce.org" target="_blank">simon@xfce.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hey everyone,<br>
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first of all thanks for the feedback and lively discussion.<br>
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I'd like to follow up on what Olivier suggested (aka Option 4) and elaborate on that a bit. Maybe we can move on from here.<br>
In terms of Option 5 I agree with Guido, I'd rather not reinvent the wheel.<br>
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* For those who want to have a really fast/slim Xfce in Gtk2 only, they can still use the xfce-engine and themes in 4.12. Nothing is changing/breaking there. Also, we can do a new look/theme for that for 4.12, if it's something people want.<br>
* For those who want to use a full desktop, they should use whatever their distributor of choice provides them with. This could be Adwaita, Greybird, Clearlooks Phoenix or whatever is around and works.<br>
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This would mean that we, upstream Xfce, won't have to maintain separate theme/engine-versions per Gtk3 release and things will basically remain as they were.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Simon<br>
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On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 08:43:52 +0100<br>
Olivier Fourdan <<a href="mailto:fourdan@gmail.com">fourdan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hi<br>
><br>
> There is a 4th possibility that has my vote.<br>
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> TBH, none of the xfce themes/engine work well with gtk3, let alone<br>
> with GNOME CSD windows.<br>
><br>
> So I'd rather stick to Adwaita (default gtk theme) or Greybird. Both<br>
> look great with the new default xfwm4 theme.<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Olivier<br>
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