From filipurh at gmail.com  Tue Feb  6 16:29:24 2024
From: filipurh at gmail.com (Filip Urh)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2024 16:29:24 +0100
Subject: Gitlab registration problem
Message-ID: <20240206162924.70952a03@fedora>

Hi,

I am trying to contribute some code to the XFCE project, but have a
problem with the Gitlab registration. After a successful initial step
of the registration I never received a confirmation email and
consequently I cannot login with my account. I even tried and used the
option to resend confirmation email multiple times but with no success.

Can you please advise me on how to successfully proceed with the
registration.

Thank you,
Filip

From trash.paradise at protonmail.com  Tue Feb  6 17:41:52 2024
From: trash.paradise at protonmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ga=C3=ABl_Bonithon?=)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2024 16:41:52 +0000
Subject: Gitlab registration problem
In-Reply-To: <20240206162924.70952a03@fedora>
References: <20240206162924.70952a03@fedora>
Message-ID: <DUrjcsBfy3GbatpH0YlHWo2hNEf2EyQ_mLPu6-0OtXkLtgUa17oaAQ3DIqv-e-9j9zq94V1CsxaJpTQj6MLtZZVC7S1rA6HsLzn0T4Vv6go=@protonmail.com>

Hi,

Account confirmed, can you login now?

Cheers,
Ga?l

On Tuesday, February 6th, 2024 at 3:29 PM, Filip Urh <filipurh at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I am trying to contribute some code to the XFCE project, but have a
> problem with the Gitlab registration. After a successful initial step
> of the registration I never received a confirmation email and
> consequently I cannot login with my account. I even tried and used the
> option to resend confirmation email multiple times but with no success.
> 
> Can you please advise me on how to successfully proceed with the
> registration.
> 
> Thank you,
> Filip
> _______________________________________________
> Xfce4-dev mailing list
> Xfce4-dev at xfce.org
> https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev

From filipurh at gmail.com  Tue Feb  6 18:11:58 2024
From: filipurh at gmail.com (Filip Urh)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2024 18:11:58 +0100
Subject: Gitlab registration problem
In-Reply-To: <DUrjcsBfy3GbatpH0YlHWo2hNEf2EyQ_mLPu6-0OtXkLtgUa17oaAQ3DIqv-e-9j9zq94V1CsxaJpTQj6MLtZZVC7S1rA6HsLzn0T4Vv6go=@protonmail.com>
References: <20240206162924.70952a03@fedora>
 <DUrjcsBfy3GbatpH0YlHWo2hNEf2EyQ_mLPu6-0OtXkLtgUa17oaAQ3DIqv-e-9j9zq94V1CsxaJpTQj6MLtZZVC7S1rA6HsLzn0T4Vv6go=@protonmail.com>
Message-ID: <20240206181158.3e49cd3b@fedora>

Thanks, it's working now.

Best,
Filip

On Tue, 06 Feb 2024 16:41:52 +0000
Ga?l Bonithon <trash.paradise at protonmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Account confirmed, can you login now?
> 
> Cheers,
> Ga?l
> 
> On Tuesday, February 6th, 2024 at 3:29 PM, Filip Urh
> <filipurh at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I am trying to contribute some code to the XFCE project, but have a
> > problem with the Gitlab registration. After a successful initial
> > step of the registration I never received a confirmation email and
> > consequently I cannot login with my account. I even tried and used
> > the option to resend confirmation email multiple times but with no
> > success.
> > 
> > Can you please advise me on how to successfully proceed with the
> > registration.
> > 
> > Thank you,
> > Filip
> > _______________________________________________
> > Xfce4-dev mailing list
> > Xfce4-dev at xfce.org
> > https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev  
> _______________________________________________
> Xfce4-dev mailing list
> Xfce4-dev at xfce.org
> https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev

From jeroen at mompl.net  Mon Feb 19 13:43:02 2024
From: jeroen at mompl.net (Jeroen van Aart)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2024 04:43:02 -0800
Subject: planning to release gtk3 equake panel plugin
Message-ID: <2329134d3f4c246e0a8d0739fedbd3046cfd8d62.camel@mompl.net>

I finally got around to migrating my panel plugin to gtk3 and have it
working on an up to date xfce environment (current debian sid). I am
still working on cleaning things up and am wanting to release it soon.
I used to be able to release a tarball through an account I had on I
believe https://archive.xfce.org but that's now a directory listing.
How would I release it these days? Is this the way to go:

https://docs.xfce.org/contribute/dev/get-a-contributor-account

On an additional note I used to create my own debian package for this
and use the debian mentors system to get it released on debian. Of
course since it was not gtk3 compatible it was removed from recent
releases. I believe one of debian the maintainers for xfce is on this
list and emailed me a few years ago offering to help out in that
regard, but it's been a while so things may have changed and I can't
find the email anymore. Any help or pointers in that regard would be
appreciated.

Older version of the plugin are stored here:

https://archive.xfce.org/src/panel-plugins/xfce4-equake-plugin/1.3/

Thank you,
Jeroen


From andre at andreldm.com  Mon Feb 19 23:07:09 2024
From: andre at andreldm.com (andre at andreldm.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2024 23:07:09 +0100 (CET)
Subject: planning to release gtk3 equake panel plugin
In-Reply-To: <2329134d3f4c246e0a8d0739fedbd3046cfd8d62.camel@mompl.net>
References: <2329134d3f4c246e0a8d0739fedbd3046cfd8d62.camel@mompl.net>
Message-ID: <Nr2P8cT--3-9@andreldm.com>

Hi Jeroen,
Xfce's release manager is available at https://releases.xfce.org and I see that you see have an active user there with permissions for xfce4-equake-plugin.

Are you interested in upstreaming your changes to gitlab.xfce.org? If so please create an account there and let us so that we can restore the plugin's repository.

By the way, the Debian packager for Xfce lurks at #xfce-dev (libera), maybe you have more luck asking there.
Cheers,
Andre Miranda

Feb 19, 2024, 14:37 by jeroen at mompl.net:

> I finally got around to migrating my panel plugin to gtk3 and have it
> working on an up to date xfce environment (current debian sid). I am
> still working on cleaning things up and am wanting to release it soon.
> I used to be able to release a tarball through an account I had on I
> believe https://archive.xfce.org but that's now a directory listing.
> How would I release it these days? Is this the way to go:
>
> https://docs.xfce.org/contribute/dev/get-a-contributor-account
>
> On an additional note I used to create my own debian package for this
> and use the debian mentors system to get it released on debian. Of
> course since it was not gtk3 compatible it was removed from recent
> releases. I believe one of debian the maintainers for xfce is on this
> list and emailed me a few years ago offering to help out in that
> regard, but it's been a while so things may have changed and I can't
> find the email anymore. Any help or pointers in that regard would be
> appreciated.
>
> Older version of the plugin are stored here:
>
> https://archive.xfce.org/src/panel-plugins/xfce4-equake-plugin/1.3/
>
> Thank you,
> Jeroen
>
> _______________________________________________
> Xfce4-dev mailing list
> Xfce4-dev at xfce.org
> https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev
>

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From jeroen at mompl.net  Tue Feb 20 01:38:21 2024
From: jeroen at mompl.net (Jeroen van Aart)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2024 16:38:21 -0800
Subject: planning to release gtk3 equake panel plugin
In-Reply-To: <Nr2P8cT--3-9@andreldm.com>
References: <2329134d3f4c246e0a8d0739fedbd3046cfd8d62.camel@mompl.net>
 <Nr2P8cT--3-9@andreldm.com>
Message-ID: <438578c86d3a430196da9be6091db4885d03243e.camel@mompl.net>

On Mon, 2024-02-19 at 23:07 +0100, andre at andreldm.com wrote:
> Hi Jeroen,
> Xfce's release manager is available at https://releases.xfce.org and
> I see that you see have an active user there with permissions for
> xfce4-equake-plugin.

Thank you, I must have forgotten the url. Once I have it ready I'll use
it to release it.

> Are you interested in upstreaming your changes to gitlab.xfce.org? If
> so please create an account there and let us so that we can restore
> the plugin's repository.

Yes I think that'd be a good idea and I'll do that once I have it
released. Still some cleaning up to do of compilation warnings and the
likes.

> By the way, the Debian packager for Xfce lurks at #xfce-dev (libera),
> maybe you have more luck asking there.

Great I'll inquire there. :-)

> Feb 19, 2024, 14:37 by jeroen at mompl.net:
> > I finally got around to migrating my panel plugin to gtk3 and have
> > it
> > working on an up to date xfce environment (current debian sid). I
> > am
> > still working on cleaning things up and am wanting to release it
> > soon.
> > I used to be able to release a tarball through an account I had on
> > I
> > believe https://archive.xfce.org but that's now a directory
> > listing.
> > How would I release it these days? Is this the way to go:
> > 
> > https://docs.xfce.org/contribute/dev/get-a-contributor-account
> > 
> > On an additional note I used to create my own debian package for
> > this
> > and use the debian mentors system to get it released on debian. Of
> > course since it was not gtk3 compatible it was removed from recent
> > releases. I believe one of debian the maintainers for xfce is on
> > this
> > list and emailed me a few years ago offering to help out in that
> > regard, but it's been a while so things may have changed and I
> > can't
> > find the email anymore. Any help or pointers in that regard would
> > be
> > appreciated.
> > 
> > Older version of the plugin are stored here:
> > 
> > https://archive.xfce.org/src/panel-plugins/xfce4-equake-plugin/1.3/
> > 
> > Thank you,
> > Jeroen
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Xfce4-dev mailing list
> > Xfce4-dev at xfce.org
> > https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Xfce4-dev mailing list
> Xfce4-dev at xfce.org
> https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev


From trash.paradise at protonmail.com  Tue Feb 20 11:10:34 2024
From: trash.paradise at protonmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ga=C3=ABl_Bonithon?=)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 10:10:34 +0000
Subject: planning to release gtk3 equake panel plugin
In-Reply-To: <2oniQ-jDk-YpaBTUeiAeKI17io0hInDrnls1IHcQcqhmI-FjyhYZsKgO1jZFeMRH6qUC23Seju7ihU5myOFyK-HRi1smuWWK_2oE97lI3ow=@protonmail.com>
References: <2329134d3f4c246e0a8d0739fedbd3046cfd8d62.camel@mompl.net>
 <Nr2P8cT--3-9@andreldm.com>
 <438578c86d3a430196da9be6091db4885d03243e.camel@mompl.net>
 <2oniQ-jDk-YpaBTUeiAeKI17io0hInDrnls1IHcQcqhmI-FjyhYZsKgO1jZFeMRH6qUC23Seju7ihU5myOFyK-HRi1smuWWK_2oE97lI3ow=@protonmail.com>
Message-ID: <AvsDFnZw7xl5op1mmFrVo1TEuXBCRahPNcKZUatd4Pb_HA6Z4CAdKQojfrYmXhsklig4c1JQ29EfL3D0O_fVrp7kc_r4S6i6bu0o_rWJ8n8=@protonmail.com>

Uh, I realize now that I had to do "reply all". I always get fooled by those damn mail headers...

Cheers,
Ga?l

------- Forwarded Message -------
From: Ga?l Bonithon <trash.paradise at protonmail.com>
Date: On Tuesday, February 20th, 2024 at 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: planning to release gtk3 equake panel plugin
To: jeroen at mompl.net <jeroen at mompl.net>


> Hi,
> 
> > > Are you interested in upstreaming your changes to gitlab.xfce.org? If
> > > so please create an account there and let us so that we can restore
> > > the plugin's repository.
> > 
> > Yes I think that'd be a good idea and I'll do that once I have it
> > released. Still some cleaning up to do of compilation warnings and the
> > likes.
> 
> 
> Maybe it would be better to do it the other way round, so that we can enable CI build, which might catch errors you haven't seen. I'll also do some local testing to bring up any issues. It would also give us a more convenient place to discuss the plugin than the mailing list :)
> 
> Incidentally, the plugin should have a doc page on docs.xfce.org, as the release announcement emails are supposed to point to that (and the plugin code contains that reference in a few places). I'll ask for this on matrix/irc #xfce-dev.
> 
> For the release, we use the xfce-do-release script now, which is part of xfce4-dev-tools. You'll also have to make sure you're registered on the xfce and xfce-announce mailing lists (at least the latter) with the same e-mail address as your releases.xfce.org account.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ga?l
> 
> On Tuesday, February 20th, 2024 at 12:38 AM, Jeroen van Aart jeroen at mompl.net wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 2024-02-19 at 23:07 +0100, andre at andreldm.com wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Jeroen,
> > > Xfce's release manager is available at https://releases.xfce.org and
> > > I see that you see have an active user there with permissions for
> > > xfce4-equake-plugin.
> > 
> > Thank you, I must have forgotten the url. Once I have it ready I'll use
> > it to release it.
> > 
> > > Are you interested in upstreaming your changes to gitlab.xfce.org? If
> > > so please create an account there and let us so that we can restore
> > > the plugin's repository.
> > 
> > Yes I think that'd be a good idea and I'll do that once I have it
> > released. Still some cleaning up to do of compilation warnings and the
> > likes.
> > 
> > > By the way, the Debian packager for Xfce lurks at #xfce-dev (libera),
> > > maybe you have more luck asking there.
> > 
> > Great I'll inquire there. :-)
> > 
> > > Feb 19, 2024, 14:37 by jeroen at mompl.net:
> > > 
> > > > I finally got around to migrating my panel plugin to gtk3 and have
> > > > it
> > > > working on an up to date xfce environment (current debian sid). I
> > > > am
> > > > still working on cleaning things up and am wanting to release it
> > > > soon.
> > > > I used to be able to release a tarball through an account I had on
> > > > I
> > > > believe https://archive.xfce.org but that's now a directory
> > > > listing.
> > > > How would I release it these days? Is this the way to go:
> > > > 
> > > > https://docs.xfce.org/contribute/dev/get-a-contributor-account
> > > > 
> > > > On an additional note I used to create my own debian package for
> > > > this
> > > > and use the debian mentors system to get it released on debian. Of
> > > > course since it was not gtk3 compatible it was removed from recent
> > > > releases. I believe one of debian the maintainers for xfce is on
> > > > this
> > > > list and emailed me a few years ago offering to help out in that
> > > > regard, but it's been a while so things may have changed and I
> > > > can't
> > > > find the email anymore. Any help or pointers in that regard would
> > > > be
> > > > appreciated.
> > > > 
> > > > Older version of the plugin are stored here:
> > > > 
> > > > https://archive.xfce.org/src/panel-plugins/xfce4-equake-plugin/1.3/
> > > > 
> > > > Thank you,
> > > > Jeroen
> > > > 
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Xfce4-dev mailing list
> > > > Xfce4-dev at xfce.org
> > > > https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Xfce4-dev mailing list
> > > Xfce4-dev at xfce.org
> > > https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Xfce4-dev mailing list
> > Xfce4-dev at xfce.org
> > https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev

From acs82 at gmx.de  Tue Feb 20 21:11:39 2024
From: acs82 at gmx.de (Alex)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 21:11:39 +0100
Subject: Call for GSoC 2024 mentors
In-Reply-To: <0f189cbe-984b-41e3-9c5a-ca828b8457e6@gmx.de>
References: <0f189cbe-984b-41e3-9c5a-ca828b8457e6@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <d12c5044-0810-47e3-bfec-b00eaf5af043@gmx.de>

Hi all,

bad luck, this year google did not accept Xfce as GSoC orga.

 > Google Summer of Code
 >
 > Thank you for applying to be a Google Summer of Code 2024 mentor
organization.
 > Sadly, we were unable to accept Xfce this year. We had many more
applications than available slots. We hope you will apply again in the
future!

Let's take another try next year.

Best regards, Alex(xcons)

Am 24.01.24 um 15:52 schrieb Alex:
> Hi all,
>
> the 2024 Google Summer of Code Organization Applications is open since
> yesterday, so It's time again to ask if someone would be interested in
> mentoring.
>
> This year, I plan to mentor myself again. (And ofc doing the Xfce org
> admin stuff ).
>
> According to the GSoC FAQ, there seem to be 3 possible project sizes
> this year 90h, 175h? and 350h. The time-frame to finish the work is
> variable .. depending on the project-size, it can be between 8 and 22
> weeks.
>
> My plan would be to register Xfce for GSoC 2023 on ~1st February[1].
> For registration I need to fill in the number of Xfce mentors. So in
> case you are interested, please let me know till end of January!
>
> On 2022 GSoC mentoring took me an average of ~2hours a week from May
> till November (350h project).
>
> While some mentors do regular video calls with the contributors, I
> preferred to just chat with them via Matrix, on gitlab issues, merge
> requests or via email.
>
> Generally I can say that GSoC mentoring is a nice way for getting
> things done, and to lure people into Xfce-development :)? Though it
> for sure will eat some of your time.
>
> If you are interested, later on you will need to define some possible
> projects from which GSoC applicants can pick from and add them to our
> "GSoC Project Ideas" Wiki page [2].
>
> Xfce mentors will receive $500 per participant as "mentor stipend".
>
> So if you are interested in mentoring for Xfce (or if you have
> questions), please let me know !
>
>
> Best regards, Alex(xcons)
>
>
> [1]: Timeline for GSoC 2024:
> https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline?hl=en
>
> [2] Xfce GSoC 2024 project list:
> https://wiki.xfce.org/projects/gsoc/start#project_ideas
>


From brian at tarricone.org  Fri Feb 23 21:00:01 2024
From: brian at tarricone.org (Brian Tarricone)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 12:00:01 -0800
Subject: Move from IRC to Matrix?
In-Reply-To: <2ee56035-3aaa-4af8-bb5b-60407ba5dc27@app.fastmail.com>
References: <9e9833a7-060e-4e7d-ab4d-5672f0994377@app.fastmail.com>
 <09ae9765-31ff-085e-bcb7-df974d3025b6@gmx.de> <Ne9vkEc--3-9@andreldm.com>
 <CACxMwBgBFXkj93i9k_qRtQrR8+KPR6w2pyzJigBtZDy_7_QLUA@mail.gmail.com>
 <2ee56035-3aaa-4af8-bb5b-60407ba5dc27@app.fastmail.com>
Message-ID: <24f1baf9-b6bd-4440-8729-f46353081a31@app.fastmail.com>

Hello all,

It's been a while on this topic, but we've been on Matrix for nearly 6 months now, and so far those of us there are pretty happy with it.  Since that time, we've taken ownership of #xfce-dev:matrix.org, and I've written a bot that publishes release announcements (to #xfce:matrix.org and #xfce-dev:matrix.org) and gitlab activity (to #xfce-commits:matrix.org).

Another thing that's changed (and not for the better) is the announcement that there will no longer be any kind of officially-hosted bridging between Matrix and LiberaChat, so we will be unable to re-enable seamless interop between the two platforms in the future, at least not without maintaining our own bridge, which we don't want to do.

At this point we believe multiple "official" chat venues will be both confusing and an extra burden, so we're going to "shut down" the IRC channels as of 2024-03-31.  We'll update the topics soon to announce the impending move. 

Cheers,
Brian

On Wed, Sep 13, 2023, at 22:18, Brian Tarricone wrote:
> Ok, we've gained ownership of #xfce-dev:matrix.org.  Haven't done anything with it yet, but feel free to join!
> 
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023, at 00:03, Olivier Fourdan wrote:
>> Hey!
>> 
>> No objection from either.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Olivier
>> 
>> On Tue, 12 Sept 2023 at 21:54, <andre at andreldm.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I've been using The Lounge as bouncer/client for many years, it's been serving me well, I don't exactly want to investe time migrating to something else, however, if other devs want it, I accept it.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andre Miranda
>>> 
>>> Sep 11, 2023, 21:20 by acs82 at gmx.de:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> thank you for bringing this up Brian!
>>>> 
>>>> After the libera bridge has been shut down, I tried to get ZNC + Hexchat to run ... one hour of configuration trial & error later I gave up and went to bed ?
>>>> 
>>>> Currently I barely have time to maintain thunar. So currently not much interest in dumping more time into getting ZNC/IRC to run again. (Knowing that there are other tools which just work out of the box makes it even more frustrating)
>>>> 
>>>> Another pro argument for Matrix: Keeping the entrance barrier low will be beneficial for attracting new contributors.
>>>> 
>>>> So a big +1 from my side for moving #xfce-dev over to Matrix
>>>> Cheers, alex(xcons)
>>>> 
>>>> Am 10.09.23 um 21:49 schrieb Brian Tarricone:
>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> As most of us have found, the matrix.org bridge between Matrix and Libera has been shut down due to various bugs and other issues that the Libera team weren't happy about.  And, apparently, the "plumbed channels" feature (which has not been shut down) is currently not working at matrix.org.
>>>>> 
>>>>> While I've been using ZNC and IRC directly (with various annoyances and issues), quite a few of us (Ga?l and Alex at least) had been using the Matrix bridge to get to #xfce-dev etc.  (I've recently set up my own personal Matrix homeserver and have bridged my user account over to IRC, and I really like the experience so far, much better than my previous ZNC+Hexchat experience.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'd like to propose that we move #xfce-dev over to Matrix, for the following reasons:
>>>>> 
>>>>> * Chat history comes for free and is directly integrated.  No need to run a bouncer or check some web-based bot-generated IRC chat history every time you connect.
>>>>> * We get threads, message reactions, longer messages, attachments, syntax highlighting, etc.  Essentially, "modern chat stuff".  I know some people might think this sort of thing is superfluous and silly, but after spending some time away from IRC, on platforms like Slack, I find I really do miss these things (in that they actually make communication easier, not just that they're "fun" or "cute").
>>>>> * Matrix an open, federated protocol, so there's minimal lock-in or risk of a proprietary service screwing us over.  Certainly we're tied to whatever homeserver we pick to host the channel (presumably matrix.org), but if we really wanted to, we could even run an xfce.org homeserver (someday, certainly not today), and then have full control over the channels.
>>>>> 
>>>>> There are certainly downsides:
>>>>> 
>>>>> * Anyone without a Matrix account will have to create one, and join yet another service.
>>>>> * Bots running in our IRC channels will presumably have to be rewritten or modified to use Matrix APIs.
>>>>> * Minor wrinkle: #xfce-dev:matrix.org is currently owned by a community member.  They claim they are squatting on the name and holding it in case one of us wants to do something with it (and will transfer ownership), but who knows if they're actively around and would respond to requests.
>>>>> 
>>>>> At this time I'm only proposing moving #xfce-dev, and not #xfce or #xfce-commits.  My reasoning here is that our development team is currently split communication-wise between the now-non-bridged channel on Matrix, and the channel on IRC, so we have a current need to fix the development team's communication.  If we end up liking having #xfce-dev on Matrix, we can talk about moving the other channels later.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>> 
>>>>>      -brian
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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Subject: Move from IRC to Matrix?
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Hello, hope i don't get slained for joining XFCE Matrix with my GNOME account :P

Den fre 23 feb. 2024 kl 21:06 skrev Brian Tarricone <brian at tarricone.org>:
>
> Hello all,
>
> It's been a while on this topic, but we've been on Matrix for nearly 6 months now, and so far those of us there are pretty happy with it.  Since that time, we've taken ownership of #xfce-dev:matrix.org, and I've written a bot that publishes release announcements (to #xfce:matrix.org and #xfce-dev:matrix.org) and gitlab activity (to #xfce-commits:matrix.org).
>
> Another thing that's changed (and not for the better) is the announcement that there will no longer be any kind of officially-hosted bridging between Matrix and LiberaChat, so we will be unable to re-enable seamless interop between the two platforms in the future, at least not without maintaining our own bridge, which we don't want to do.
>
> At this point we believe multiple "official" chat venues will be both confusing and an extra burden, so we're going to "shut down" the IRC channels as of 2024-03-31.  We'll update the topics soon to announce the impending move.
>
> Cheers,
> Brian
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> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023, at 22:18, Brian Tarricone wrote:
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> Ok, we've gained ownership of #xfce-dev:matrix.org.  Haven't done anything with it yet, but feel free to join!
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> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023, at 00:03, Olivier Fourdan wrote:
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> Hey!
>
> No objection from either.
>
> Cheers
> Olivier
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> On Tue, 12 Sept 2023 at 21:54, <andre at andreldm.com> wrote:
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> Hi,
> I've been using The Lounge as bouncer/client for many years, it's been serving me well, I don't exactly want to investe time migrating to something else, however, if other devs want it, I accept it.
>
> Cheers,
> Andre Miranda
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> Sep 11, 2023, 21:20 by acs82 at gmx.de:
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> Hi all,
>
> thank you for bringing this up Brian!
>
> After the libera bridge has been shut down, I tried to get ZNC + Hexchat to run ... one hour of configuration trial & error later I gave up and went to bed ?
>
> Currently I barely have time to maintain thunar. So currently not much interest in dumping more time into getting ZNC/IRC to run again. (Knowing that there are other tools which just work out of the box makes it even more frustrating)
>
> Another pro argument for Matrix: Keeping the entrance barrier low will be beneficial for attracting new contributors.
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> So a big +1 from my side for moving #xfce-dev over to Matrix
>
> Cheers, alex(xcons)
>
> Am 10.09.23 um 21:49 schrieb Brian Tarricone:
>
> Hey all,
>
> As most of us have found, the matrix.org bridge between Matrix and Libera has been shut down due to various bugs and other issues that the Libera team weren't happy about.  And, apparently, the "plumbed channels" feature (which has not been shut down) is currently not working at matrix.org.
>
> While I've been using ZNC and IRC directly (with various annoyances and issues), quite a few of us (Ga?l and Alex at least) had been using the Matrix bridge to get to #xfce-dev etc.  (I've recently set up my own personal Matrix homeserver and have bridged my user account over to IRC, and I really like the experience so far, much better than my previous ZNC+Hexchat experience.)
>
> I'd like to propose that we move #xfce-dev over to Matrix, for the following reasons:
>
> * Chat history comes for free and is directly integrated.  No need to run a bouncer or check some web-based bot-generated IRC chat history every time you connect.
> * We get threads, message reactions, longer messages, attachments, syntax highlighting, etc.  Essentially, "modern chat stuff".  I know some people might think this sort of thing is superfluous and silly, but after spending some time away from IRC, on platforms like Slack, I find I really do miss these things (in that they actually make communication easier, not just that they're "fun" or "cute").
> * Matrix an open, federated protocol, so there's minimal lock-in or risk of a proprietary service screwing us over.  Certainly we're tied to whatever homeserver we pick to host the channel (presumably matrix.org), but if we really wanted to, we could even run an xfce.org homeserver (someday, certainly not today), and then have full control over the channels.
>
> There are certainly downsides:
>
> * Anyone without a Matrix account will have to create one, and join yet another service.
> * Bots running in our IRC channels will presumably have to be rewritten or modified to use Matrix APIs.
> * Minor wrinkle: #xfce-dev:matrix.org is currently owned by a community member.  They claim they are squatting on the name and holding it in case one of us wants to do something with it (and will transfer ownership), but who knows if they're actively around and would respond to requests.
>
> At this time I'm only proposing moving #xfce-dev, and not #xfce or #xfce-commits.  My reasoning here is that our development team is currently split communication-wise between the now-non-bridged channel on Matrix, and the channel on IRC, so we have a current need to fix the development team's communication.  If we end up liking having #xfce-dev on Matrix, we can talk about moving the other channels later.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>      -brian
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