Would switching to Qt be a good idea?

[samuel ammonius]

Hi! (And no worries, I'm also some random guy. I joined this mailing list
literally 10 minutes before posting this thread)

I think that this project would be better off as a fork of Xfce instead of
> a full refactor of almost all graphical applications.
>

That's what I meant, only the fork might be able to merge after it is
complete.

Just out of curiosity, why do you think Qt looks messy?

On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 4:28 PM Mailing Lists <koemail at protonmail.com> wrote:

> I'm just some random guy, but I think it's worth mentioning that a full
> toolkit switch would require more maintainer hours than any slow changes
> that GNOME puts into GTK.
>
> Qt also looks rather messy in my opinion, but that's beside the point. I
> think that this project would be better off as a fork of Xfce instead of a
> full refactor of almost all graphical applications.
>
> If this were a LXDE situation, then I would be significantly more
> sympathetic to such a cause. However, Xfce is far from unmaintained. :)
>
> Find some developers who agree with your cause and you might end up with a
> very interesting project! I just don't think it'll happen here...
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> On Jul 7, 2022, 1:22 PM, samuel ammonius < sfammonius at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I was wrong about the submenus, but popovers are still not a replacement
> for menus. Even if we make a theme to make the submenus as small as regular
> menus, there are no menubars. So many issues arise from just one move by
> gnome, and they have been doing stuff like this for years and will continue
> to do things like this.
>
> I really don't want to see XFCE use popover menus, and the way I see it,
> the only other option is to use another toolkit. Even if popovers aren't
> that bad, GTK was already not as efficent or easy to use as Qt, so for GTK
> to start going downhill would be a disaster for any program that's still
> using it.
>
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 3:35 PM Konstantin P. <ria.freelander at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Gtk4 popovers supports submenus, if you will read GTK4 hig. Especially
>> GtkPopoverMenuBar class. And GtkPopoverMenu class supports submenus too:
>> https://docs.gtk.org/gtk4/flags.PopoverMenuFlags.html
>> Here is a flag for submenus. About space - create custom theme with less
>> space, it is possible.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 8:56 PM samuel ammonius <sfammonius at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Popovers aren't the same thing as menus. They take much more space and
>>> cannot support submenus. Most importantly, they don't fit the design of any
>>> desktop environment except GNOME, which proves my point about slowly trying
>>> to shape other desktops into gnome.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 3:05 PM Konstantin P. <ria.freelander at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> GTK4 does not remove a menus, they just did menus as popover children
>>>> in UI, and menus now defined as GMenuModel, other way (by menu items
>>>> directly) is removed. I do not think than this should be called as "menus
>>>> is removed".
>>>>
>>>> Qt is also designed menus same way as modern GTK (both 3 and 4, 3
>>>> optionally, 4 moderately) does.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 8:08 PM samuel ammonius <sfammonius at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I posted a similar question on the XFCE forum, where a moderator told
>>>>> me I should go here. The forum post is here
>>>>> <https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=67869#p67869>.
>>>>>
>>>>> The reason I was suggesting this is because GTK4 removed menus
>>>>> completely, because they were too "X11-centric". I think this is just an
>>>>> excuse to force people to use their designs, and XFCE's adoption of
>>>>> client-side decoration is proof that it's working. I'm not complaining
>>>>> about CSD in particular, but I'm trying to say that over the years, similar
>>>>> situations will arise and GTK will start to become a larger burden with
>>>>> every version that gets released.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that switching to Qt isn't something little. What I'm asking
>>>>> is, if I can fork all of XFCE's gui and make it use Qt, is it possible at
>>>>> all that it might get merged? It won't take as long as it might sound
>>>>> because I've made both GTK and Qt applications and Qt is at least twice as
>>>>> easy to deal with.
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