Clean up default theme and wallpaper collection

[Auke Kok]

On 06/23/2011 02:56 AM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
> On 06/23/2011 09:40 AM, Nick Schermer wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Pasi Lallinaho
>> <pasi at shimmerproject.org>  wrote:
>>> On 06/23/2011 12:56 AM, Nick Schermer wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Pasi Lallinaho
>>>> <pasi at shimmerproject.org>  wrote:
>>>>> I just added a new item in the Design SIG wiki.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Xfce default collection of themes (both GTK and xfwm) and wallpapers
>>>>> is a bit out-of-date. We really should make it 2011.
>>>> Well the desktop will be a new module for 4.10 (if everything goes as
>>>> planned), but imho we should just have 1 nice Xfce wallpaper (big for
>>>> 2012 screens) and nothing else. It only increases the package size and
>>>> most people will change it anyway.
>>>>
>>> Okay, so why isn't this in the design SIG wikipage yet? :)
>> Finish one thing before starting the other? I don't know, up to
>> Jannis. I think we still need some deeper thoughts how to integrate
>> this in thunar before focusing on the looks, although the discussion
>> can already be started.
> I added this on the proposed projects.
>>>>> This would mean removing a bunch of the old looking themes and include
>>>>> some new; I'm proposing to include the Shimmer themes, which have had
>>>>> good feedback when used as Xubuntu default themes.
>>>> The only themes are a bunch of them in the gtk engine, but for example
>>>> the shimmer themes depend on the murrine engine, not a dependency we
>>>> want for the core.
>>> Right, I didn't consider that.
>>>> That doesn't mean there is room for improvement, but the Xfce core
>>>> doesn't need to become a complete xunbuntu layout as well.
>>> Yes, I agree. The idea is not to make the core Xubuntu layout, but
>>> provide the user some theme choices which they really can consider using.
>>>
>>> I'm not saying this because I think the Shimmer themes are better than
>>> anything else but because the default themes in Xfce right now are quite
>>> ugly, and I couldn't really use those ever. And I think many people
>>> think the same.
>> I agree. I never use the Xfce themes as well, in fact, the whole thing
>> will get better when we switch to gtk3, but that not on the target
>> list of 4.10, so we need a "decent" mid solution for 4.10, without
>> putting new stuff in the Xfce core packages.
> I hope it will get better. Anyway, whatever comes around, I'm sure we'll
> support GTK3 as soon as possible with the Shimmer themes, so the
> solution doesn't need to look completely temporary for the users, since
> they'll see the same themes even when GTK3 jumps in.
>>> There is probably quite little that the design SIG can do about this, if
>>> there is no consensus across the Xfce developers. I think the question
>>> simply is if the Xfce developer team wants Xfce core to be as small as
>>> possible and strip all dependencies, or, are they willing to add a
>>> rather small dependency to be able to ship themes that bring Xfce looks
>>> closer to what is objectively considered good-looking in 2011.
>> Well a possibility is to make shimmer-releases on xfce.org (dig up
>> xfce4-themes?) and make an advise to distros to include this package
>> in the xfce-group of their distro (and that package will depend on
>> murrine). That's more or less the same as we do now with the
>> gtk-xfce-engine, but that includes both themes and the engine.
> That sounds fine. Distro packagers, how does this sound for you?

uhh, add some newlines in here, lol, this is becoming unreadable :)

For both distro's I work with: please consider sticking to one default 
theme. More choice for the user, fine. More choice for the packager: no 
fun, now you make me choose :/