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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22/10/2019 12:45, Sean Davis wrote:<br>
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<div>I guess it's also critically important to make this
distinction. We are going for scenario #2.<br>
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2: Full CSD, not full HeaderBar (selected for 4.16)<br>
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<p>If you really want work on that, fine, but as a minimum please
make it a run-time option and make sure the non-CSD variant always
works. Otherwise, if you really must follow through, rename/fork
the applications and libraries so that original can be maintained
and developed further under their current names and in their
current repositories. We don't want to end up with another
Gnome/Mate mess.<br>
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<p>But, why? Why break established X11 patterns for the sake of some
visual candy? Window managers are a central part of X11 user
experience. Only recently my organization has deployed Xfce on
user machines because the hits a good balance between being
standards compliant and feature rich. From the usability point of
view CSD have a negative value.<br>
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<p>I feel bad complaining about it because I haven't worked on Xfce
for years now, but if I don't do it, our user will. I disagree
with your estimate of the scale of the issue - being usability
focused and respectful of user preferences became our key feature
since Gnome3.<br>
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<p>Best regards,<br>
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<p>Andrzej</p>
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